Environmental Damage at Cannon Mountain Ski Area

[Puck it]

I thought the photos were pretty compelling. Plus - he didn't grab from another source. I have no doubts that they're his own photos. What else would you want - a video of John DeVivo bulldozing rubble onto the woods?

And they are, but he calls out Cannon as the source and not the contractor of the lift. He has stated that the contractor did things right with the lift. However the lift contractor was responsilbe for both the install and deinstallation of the old lift(if I am not mistaken). So why would Cannon need any heavy equipment at the top. He never answers questions posed of him. If does not know then say so. This is why a few of us are irritated with his info and documentation. It can not be backed up by any other source.

 

[Cannonball]

I gotta say I'm very disappointed with the response to a (in my view) legitimate complaint.

The first few posts focused on the photos that were posted and slowly turned into a full attack on threecy. Why? All anyone on this thread has done is complain about threecy's "ax to grind" and "political agenda". :flame:

If I had seen this kind of damage in a State Park that doesn't allow hiking in the ski trails to avoid trail damage I'd wonder if this wasn't the reason - They don't want people to see what they do.

I don't give a rat's patootee what threecy's political agenda is. What I want to know is what does Cannon management say? Did they cause it? If so what will they do to fix it?

I'm just really tired of the sniping here. :uzi: Focus people! I'd like to know what really going on.

I'm with you. I sure hope you get an answer to your questions.

Here are the questions I've asked in this thread that Threecy hasn't responded to...

Does anyone have some real, objective info on this?

Also, what was NH DEP's response to your complaint?

Thanks Threecy. I've seen all of that on your site. I'm not questioning the things you have posted. I'm interested in the whole story. I'm not positive if I'm getting it from your site or not so I'm just asking for some other sources. I'm looking for them myself but if you (or anyone) happens to have them I'd be interested in seeing it. That's all.

For example: You are obviously very concerned about the environmental condition there. You've gone through the trouble to hike up there (despite the signage) and take pictures to document t. Given your obvious concern, have you filed a complaint with NH DEP? If so, what was their response? If not, why? This isn't some kind of trap or argument. I'm just curious and it seems relevant.

If is real environmental damage as described by Threecy we should all be unhappy about it. So I'm interested in confirming if it is or it isn't.

Threecy I was just checking out your site. You mention that "Under pressure from state elected officials, Cannon Mountain Ski Area has begun to attempt to fix some of the issues." Do you have any updates on how the fixes are coming?

Do you have any info on why this was handled by "state elected officials" instead of NH DES? That wouldn't be the usual pathway for an environmental damage complaint.

Thanks

 

[Abubob]

And they are, but he calls out Cannon as the source and not the contractor of the lift. He has stated that the contractor did things right with the lift. However the lift contractor was responsilbe for both the install and deinstallation of the old lift(if I am not mistaken). So why would Cannon need any heavy equipment at the top. He never answers questions posed of him. If does not know then say so. This is why a few of us are irritated with his info and documentation. It can not be backed up by any other source.

Gee I don't know - why do they need this kind of equipment?


Mittrsll8-19-09__033 by I am Cannon, on Flickr


Mittrsll8-19-09__041 by I am Cannon, on Flickr

 

[deadheadskier]

Thanks for the photo Abubob. That at least answers the question as to what kind of equipment probably caused or at least contributed to the erosion problem.

 

[Puck it]

Gee I don't know - why do they need this kind of equipment?


Mittrsll8-19-09__033 by I am Cannon, on Flickr

This pic is from summer '09 when they were widening the trail. He did not complain then, why now. There was a lot damage up there on the Taft trial from the widening.

 

[Puck it]

Thanks for the photo Abubob. That at least answers the question as to what kind of equipment probably caused or at least contributed to the erosion problem.

DHS that was Summer 09. He states the damge was done last fall.

 

[deadheadskier]

perhaps they had the same machines up there to do more work? That's a question. I don't know if it's true or not.

 

[Abubob]

I'm with you. I sure hope you get an answer to your questions.

Here are the questions I've asked in this thread that Threecy hasn't responded to...

Could be he was too busy defending himself.

You're right, though. Those are the kind of questions that should be answered.

What about it, threecy? Can you ignore the sniping and answer Cannonball's questions?

 

[Abubob]

This pic is from summer '09 when they were widening the trail. He did not complain then, why now. There was a lot damage up there on the Taft trial from the widening.

Actually that equipment is pretty benign to be sure. If you look on Cannon flickr stream that's my comment which they ignored. But I wonder what other equipment would they use without photographing it. We've seen the aftermath.

 

[threecy]

You're right, though. Those are the kind of questions that should be answered.

What about it, threecy? Can you ignore the sniping and answer Cannonball's questions?

I don't have anything to post about that at this time.

 

[Abubob]

Thanks for the photo Abubob. That at least answers the question as to what kind of equipment probably caused or at least contributed to the erosion problem.

Actually I'm not sure this equipment caused the erosion. At the time I thought it was excessive but after seeing threecy's photo it seems Cannon (or someone - ala Big Jay cut 2007) was using something a little more, shall we say, abrasive.

 

[deadheadskier]

alright, there we go. If you don't have the answer, just say so and folks will stop asking the questions. We are making progress.

 

[Abubob]

I don't have anything to post about that at this time.

Can you agree Cannonball's questions merit some answers? How can we get those answered? Can you offer some suggestions?

 

[Puck it]

alright, there we go. If you don't have the answer, just say so and folks will stop asking the questions. We are making progress.

+1

 

[Abubob]

alright, there we go. If you don't have the answer, just say so and folks will stop asking the questions. We are making progress.

I guess the real questions are: Who caused the damage? and What is being done about it?

I find it difficult to believe that someone from Cannon management isn't seeing this. It would be nice if there were some official response instead of all this.

Is there anyone from Cannon reading this!? Hello! Is there someone else up there we can talk to!? :dunce:

 

[AdironRider]

I guess the real questions are: Who caused the damage? and What is being done about it?

I find it difficult to believe that someone from Cannon management isn't seeing this. It would be nice if there were some official response instead of all this.

Is there anyone from Cannon reading this!? Hello! Is there someone else up there we can talk to!? :dunce:

You don't have many posts, so I can't blame you, but I wouldn't hold your breath for anyone associated from Cannon to stick their two cents in either this thread or the other Cannon thread.

 

[Abubob]

You don't have many posts, so I can't blame you, but I wouldn't hold your breath for anyone associated from Cannon to stick their two cents in either this thread or the other Cannon thread.

Believe me I don't. They're all probably under some gag order at the expense of their jobs. I think Cannon employees were banned from ever skiing Mittersill.

I just think if anyone should be taunted about this it should be someone like John DeVivo.

I also think ski area's should monitor forums like AZ and SJ. If they don't they're just hiding they're heads in the sand. Like saying "La la la - I'm not listening". It would be typical. :-?

 

[Edd]

I also think ski area's should monitor forums like AZ and SJ. If they don't they're just hiding they're heads in the sand.

They do. I don't recall off the top of my head a Cannon rep posting here but I'd be shocked if management there was unaware of this thread.

 

[AdironRider]

I think mountain managers also realize that internet forums arent exactly their primary clientel. No smart manager is going to use us as a general symposium of their client base

Were a bit more fanatical than most skiers. Our opinions tend to be extreme towards one end or the other.

 

[Abubob]

I don't have anything to post about that at this time.

Really?