BenedictGomez
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Not trying to "convince" anyone of anything, just stating what the data has shown for years now.
Honestly? I thought this was generally common knowledge.
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Not trying to "convince" anyone of anything, just stating what the data has shown for years now.
Honestly? I thought this was generally common knowledge.
BodeMiller1
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Lol
Okay bud. Yup Fox is so much more "fair and balanced" than CNN etc al. And OAN and Newsmax? Totally reputable.
But I don't really care about any of this stuff like you and conservatives cry about all of the time. That's my point, not that you or I are right about media bias; but that you guys always cry about it.
Carry on
Just to give some age identity to those viewers with the 'alphabet; networks. Average age of viewers 68 year old ( Faux.PMSNBC.CNN, etc)
Tucker. had $20M job and 4-5M viewers * mainly in that age group) now- 5.10. up to 20X the viewers on Twit. And far broader audience demographically.
Not so with Don Lemon ( who was released the same day - and they texted each other apparently) Platforms change- cable is the newspapers of the '2000's- dying faster than well, 69 year olds. . . .
Back to our EV show: https://cleantechnica.com/2023/09/22/us-electric-car-sales-up-147-since-2021/
Tucker. had $20M job and 4-5M viewers * mainly in that age group) now- 5.10. up to 20X the viewers on Twit. And far broader audience demographically.
Not so with Don Lemon ( who was released the same day - and they texted each other apparently) Platforms change- cable is the newspapers of the '2000's- dying faster than well, 69 year olds. . . .
Back to our EV show: https://cleantechnica.com/2023/09/22/us-electric-car-sales-up-147-since-2021/
Harvey
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That graph shows what people think. I'll agree with that.
I misunderstood the point you were making.
BenedictGomez
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OAN? Newsmax? These are completely irrelevant organizations in terms of breadth, hits, reach etc.... I've literally never watched 1 second of any OAN or Newsmax broadcast, and I suspect most here would say the same. Hell, I bet most Americans dont even know what they are! You've inadvertently helped prove my point given that's the best you can do.
Harvey
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The OWNERS of media have a huge impact on the POV of the outlet. NYT, WSJ, FOX, NBC. The fact set is another story.
Each side is working with a different set of facts. And those facts generally aren't adopted or rejected by the public based on real research. We seem to choose our fact set based on which set we believe is consistent with the survival of our own way of life going forward.
You may think that is a partisan statement but you might also find some on each side actually agree on it, as stated.
One big reason we have different fact sets is because media is very fragmented. When I was a kid there were two or three guys on TV telling the facts, like Cronkite. And generally we all accepted those facts. On the day Kennedy was shot, nobody was speculating that it didn't actually happen. Even if our opinions differed we were tethered to the same fact pole.
Now, with all the fragmentation, the only way to really be profitable is to be extreme. CNN "tries" to be more middle vs MSNBC or FOX, and because of it, IMO, they have the smallest audience of the three. IMO it's an advantage for the consumer to having two left outlets. You get to see both far left and moderate left POVs.
Benedict is right, there are less offerings on the right. For heavy hitters (big audiences) in the US, it's FOX and maybe WSJ or NY Post. Those outlets are freer to choose their own lane, and the extreme sells, satisfying the shareholders. FOX, as a solo act, has a much bigger audience than CNN or NBC. IMO if one of the other smaller right networks could start to compete with FOX, in the long run the two would try to differentiate themselves, forcing one of them toward the middle.
Each side is working with a different set of facts. And those facts generally aren't adopted or rejected by the public based on real research. We seem to choose our fact set based on which set we believe is consistent with the survival of our own way of life going forward.
You may think that is a partisan statement but you might also find some on each side actually agree on it, as stated.
One big reason we have different fact sets is because media is very fragmented. When I was a kid there were two or three guys on TV telling the facts, like Cronkite. And generally we all accepted those facts. On the day Kennedy was shot, nobody was speculating that it didn't actually happen. Even if our opinions differed we were tethered to the same fact pole.
Now, with all the fragmentation, the only way to really be profitable is to be extreme. CNN "tries" to be more middle vs MSNBC or FOX, and because of it, IMO, they have the smallest audience of the three. IMO it's an advantage for the consumer to having two left outlets. You get to see both far left and moderate left POVs.
Benedict is right, there are less offerings on the right. For heavy hitters (big audiences) in the US, it's FOX and maybe WSJ or NY Post. Those outlets are freer to choose their own lane, and the extreme sells, satisfying the shareholders. FOX, as a solo act, has a much bigger audience than CNN or NBC. IMO if one of the other smaller right networks could start to compete with FOX, in the long run the two would try to differentiate themselves, forcing one of them toward the middle.
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BodeMiller1
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There are 15 or so EVs and hybrids in front of the New Hampshire Statehouse. I go a Audi Matchbox car?
Not Good.
The people selling the cars seemed to be in favor of selling them.
No one knows why.
Not Good.
The people selling the cars seemed to be in favor of selling them.
No one knows why.I used to love Ace Frehley . . . in high school. . . . . he played a mean lead. Back to our show?There are 15 or so EVs and hybrids in front of the New Hampshire Statehouse. I go a Audi Matchbox car?
Not Good.
The people selling the cars seemed to be in favor of selling them.
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Do you want us to import and elect some actual radical left politicians from Europe? I think the diversity would to us good, personally, since we definitely do have an active elected radical right.
Our "radical left" of Bernie and AOC and company that actually hold office are tepid moderates if you actually have representation across the political spectrum.
As for bias in media, you're seeing things. https://theconversation.com/republi...ies-that-clearly-favor-the-other-party-192282 You and everyone else, though, don't feel special.
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That poll does not support the idea that a majority of Democrats believe the media is biased in their favor.
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Dickc
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Just keep a bucket in the bathroom, fill it from the tub, and "augment" the flush.This whole thread is pretty funny. We went from NH EV's to low flush Toilets!
FWIW, I have done multiple renovations and tried many toilets, My favorite is the American Standard. They can handle pretty much anything that passes through my body!
In my parents house they had the VERY EARLY version of low flush - they were awful. Literally would have to flush 3+ times to clear the stuff. God help me if I had corn on the cobb the night before.
BenedictGomez
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In a literal sense you're correct in that that's not what the poll was powered to do, but if you understand US voter Demographics you really don't need to be able to explode Gallup's internal data & see their methodology, to understand a solid chunk of Democrats agreed. Why? Because there are far more Democrats in America than Republicans, so to account for that Gallup (and all other credible polling agencies) has to over-sample more Democrats than Republicans. So to get a 64% result, even if you assume the GOP tally was very high in the affirmative, like 80%, you'd still need a pretty high Democrat cohort to agree with them to hit 64%. I actually worked for a polling body for 6 months, it's even more boring than it sounds.
EDIT: Looking at the title though, it's worded "Americans", whereas IMO it really should say, "politically affiliated Americans" given it doesn't include independents.
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BenedictGomez
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That's a "solution" of sorts, but WTH wants to do that? FYI, my four year old clogged a toilet yesterday just by peeing, and then putting in way too much toilet-paper, but really not enough that should have required me to get the plunger. I hate these things, so I really hope the poster who claims the low-flush technology has advanced leaps & bounds in the last 5 to 10 years is correct.
BenedictGomez
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Non-wealthy Democrats don't want ICE cars banned.
www.wsj.com
Opinion | Banning Gas Vehicles Isn’t Popular
The House votes to override California’s onerous EV mandates.
www.wsj.com
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15 threads of political argument later, this is why Granite1 should have been banned from this forum a long time ago.
I liked BG's Jetsons reference a few pages back.
BenedictGomez
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You know what's truly fascinating, after starting this thread he hasnt returned to it for even a single comment (see below). Master troll?
BenedictGomez
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Just wait for when the masses figure that out in about 2 years or so. Gonna' be some shocked peeps & a real "oh s**t" moment.
I think the ban plastic straws & own rain barrels & home composting folks will be particularly angry. Anyone in this industry is already well-aware, just silent. There's a reason Elon Musk is currently desperately trying to become battery self-sufficient (or at least as much as possible). From the western perspective, TSLA is far ahead of the curve.
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BodeMiller1
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At the end of the day all communists, their children and sympathizers have to be killed. Sad but true.
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