Has Sugarbush Hired Killington's PR Dept?

[andyzee]

I could go back to showing off my nipple if you all prefer :lol:

 

[Tin Woodsman]

But I'm just an industry shill, right?

No, not for the whole industry. Just for sponsors.

 

[Greg]

I'm sure if I asked the same question of Killington, no one would have a problem with it. As a matter of fact, you'd have folks dumping fuel into the fire by the truckload.

I would. Folks like JimG. and I have stuck up for Killington in the past when comments were made off base. Suggesting that Win should "be real" when when the skiable acreage was right underneath the overall was silly, bottom line. I'm the one who's keeping it real, Andy.

 

[Tin Woodsman]

I'm sure if I asked the same question of Killington, no one would have a problem with it. As a matter of fact, you'd have folks dumping fuel into the fire by the truckload.

Well Smuggs claims 1000 acres due to their boundary to boundary policy. I think the Loaf does something similar. It's not like SB or K are out on a limb putting this information out there, especially in light of the fact that they clearly point out skiable acreage right next to the larger figure.

 

[Greg]

No, not for the whole industry. Just for sponsors.

How so?

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

I could go back to showing off my nipple if you all prefer :lol:

I would like that..:lol:

 

[andyzee]

Ok, ok, my apologies, I will never question Sugarbush again.

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

Ok, ok, my apologies, I will never question Sugarbush again.

AndyZee there was nothing to question...it said total acres and skiable acres..

 

[Greg]

Ok, ok, my apologies, I will never question Sugarbush again.

You and a few others have obviously missed my point.

 

[Greg]

AndyZee there was nothing to question...it said total acres and skiable acres..

See? Even GSS gets it.

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

The question was fine. The presentation was poor. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

BTW, aside from the casual "Iceface" comment, exactly how is Whiteface attacked so nastily? Personally I think Hunter and undoubtedly Killington get beat up on far more than Whiteface does. Quit the martyr routine, willya?

You have a picture of a baby crying and you say I have a martyr routine, so now you can't make a point without being personally insulting? When did you turn into that guy?

I agree with Hunter and Kmart being picked on more then WF. You're the one who brought up the Slides acreage, I replied go ahead, so what? My whole point is asking a question about SB's claimed acreage, and the tounge in check the way it was asked, should not have been put down by you and I don't think it would have been if it was any other mountain.

So yeah, we'll agree to disagree.

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

Ok, ok, my apologies, I will never question Sugarbush again.

Now you're safe.

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

You have a picture of a baby crying and you say I have a martyr routine, so now you can't make a point without being personally insulting? When did you turn into that guy?

I agree with Hunter and Kmart being picked on more then WF. You're the one who brought up the Slides acreage, I replied go ahead, so what? My whole point is asking a question about SB's claimed acreage, and the tounge in check the way it was asked, should not have been put down by you and I don't think it would have been if it was any other mountain.

So yeah, we'll agree to disagree.

Whiteface gets picked on because is really far north and doesn't get that much natural snowfall..and doesn't have a whole lot of skiable terrain...

 

[thetrailboss]

I was being tongue and cheek in my post...but my original point is REGARDLESS of WHO made that statement, it seemed as if that was being a bit nitpicky.

And again if we were really industry shills, this thread would have been locked, edited, and deleted. But alas, it is not!

 

[2knees]

this thread is like a free for all/mob riot. Just come in to the romper room and take your shots at someone.


Madskier6 molests donkeys.

 

[WJenness]

2knees throws chairs like a girl.

-w

 

[Greg]

You have a picture of a baby crying and you say I have a martyr routine, so now you can't make a point without being personally insulting? When did you turn into that guy?

I agree with Hunter and Kmart being picked on more then WF. You're the one who brought up the Slides acreage, I replied go ahead, so what? My whole point is asking a question about SB's claimed acreage, and the tounge in check the way it was asked, should not have been put down by you and I don't think it would have been if it was any other mountain.

So yeah, we'll agree to disagree.

That guy? I'm joshing with ya just like I was with TW with the Captain O pic. If I personally insulted either of you, I apologize.

For the record, I have no problem with Whiteface including the Slides in it's area and vert stat. It's a feature of the mountain and is skiable so if someone questioned that, I, and undoubtedly you would come to their defense.

The bottom line is I'm a pretty easy going guy. I can have fun skiing just about anywhere and am not one to nitpick things about an area, or play the ski area armchair quarterback game. I've been called a lemming for having that view but it is what it is. Finally, I'm not beholden only to ski areas that sponsor this site. The bottom line is I really don't make a point of slamming any ski area really. I like some better than others, but quite honestly they're all okay in my book. After that shitty day we had at Gore HPD, I could slam that place, but I'm not ignorant in being able to identify that it has a lot of great terrain despite not being able to ski it all. And despite the conditions being so crappy (as we expected), I don't regret the 3 hour drive up and 5 hours home and still had fun hanging with you, Jim and Brian and just getting a feel for the place.

 

[kcyanks1]

Nice post. Fair question.

But this has nothing to do with whether people care if others call out Sugarbush. The skiable acreage number is clearly stated. I would feel the same for any area. If only the 4,000-acre number was given, I would think Andy would have a fair point and Win/whomever should be asked about it. But given that they have both numbers, what is the issue? I would be interested to know whether the 500ish number includes marked glades, and that would be a fair question for any ski area that doesn't clearly specify. But there is no "tough[]" question here at all.

 

[kcyanks1]

I don't agree that it was a fair question. It would be like questioning Whiteface for including the Slides in acreage and vertical despite them being open only a few days per year. But I'm sure you feel hose are appropriate stats, right?

So question that, so what? If I think you're wrong I'll tell you so, but why can't you question it?

He can question whatever he wants, but it's good to make the question fair. If the questions are, "What does the 4000 acre number include? What does the 500 number include?", that is totally fair, and I'd love to know. If the question is (paraphrasing with some freedom) "Why do you say 4,000 acres? Isn't that overmarketing like crazy?", well, they do also say 500 acres are skiable. I definitely want to know what the numbers mean, and to that extent Andy's question is perfectly fair. But ignoring the existence of the smaller number or implying that it isn't there is not fair.

 

[Tin Woodsman]

I agree with Hunter and Kmart being picked on more then WF. You're the one who brought up the Slides acreage, I replied go ahead, so what? My whole point is asking a question about SB's claimed acreage, and the tounge in check the way it was asked, should not have been put down by you and I don't think it would have been if it was any other mountain.

So yeah, we'll agree to disagree.

HPD -

Sorry, but you're entirely missing the point. I'm a big SB fan, but I slam them as well, though mostly over at SkiMRV where it is more likely to get noticed. Of course, when I do so, I got slammed for whining about the Castlerock Pub being too small (doubling in size this year), lack of boot/bag storage (doubling in size this year), and too few seats in the cafeteria (they now open the old VH lodge on weekends/holidays). But I don't think it's whining when it's a real problem, and especially when you're subsequently vindicated by the resort throwing down susbstantial coin to fix the problems you've been talking about.

The issue Andyzee raised is, however, a complete red herring. It says the resort is 4000 acres, which is quite frankly true on a boundary to boundary basis. It says right next door that this includes 508 skiable acres. I really don't see any intent to deceive here, as it's pretty clear what the relevant numbers are for anyone paying attention. Now if you just want to stir shit up, then you come in and squawk about how misleading it is and the injustice of it all.

Put it this way, having those numbers there side by side is far more innocuous than Whiteface including the acreage of the Slides in light of the fact that they are open a handful of days per year.