Has Sugarbush Hired Killington's PR Dept?

[billski]

Has anyone here ever skied in Slide Brook? Guided tour or on their own? If so, any descriptions or pics?

I really want to but don't want to do it first time "unguided". Bush offers a "guided tour" of it, but the price is a bit much for me. Now to find a local...

 

[billski]

Here's a link to a cool pic of the Slidebrook lift

http://wikimapia.org/5959615/Slide-Brook-Express-Chairlift

That's a lot of total acreage that's accessible today but not likely considered in the 508 "skiable acres"

yeah, and it's "lift served" only to the top. At the bottom at the road, your thumb must be employed. I would be disinclined to capture it for marketing information if the region isn't served both top and bottom.

 

[kcyanks1]

yeah, and it's "lift served" only to the top. At the bottom at the road, your thumb must be employed. I would be disinclined to capture it for marketing information if the region isn't served both top and bottom.

When both North and South are open there is a free shuttle bus that stops at the bottom of Slide Brook. So it's not ski lift served, but it is "served."

 

[kcyanks1]

I really want to but don't want to do it first time "unguided". Bush offers a "guided tour" of it, but the price is a bit much for me. Now to find a local...

I did the guided tour once and have since gone in 2-3 times without the tour (but with others, of course). I still don't feel confident enough to be the only guide, but to be honest, the tour route is marked pretty well and unless it's right after a storm, you'll see tracks. I'd be happy to go with you if we were ever there at the same time, but I'd want at least one other person with at least similar knowledge of the area to me. That said, I don't think I've skied the best parts by any stretch, since I've done basically what the tour would do I think.

 

[andyzee]

Honestly, need we look this closely? Slow day? We all know that Win is the man and that Sugarbush is great...

Yes, I am giving some Sugarbush loving....

I agree. Calling out Win was not warranted. He's always been a huge AZ supporter.

I agree with you guys, I love Sugarbush and I believe Win has been doing a great job. I appreciate his willingness to get on this board and discuss. Does that give him immediate protection from some of the tougher questions?

 

[kcyanks1]

I agree with you guys, I love Sugarbush and I believe Win has been doing a great job. I appreciate his willingness to get on this board and discuss. Does that give him immediate protection from some of the tougher questions?

No...but since the skiable acres total is right next to the full acreage, where is the tough question? It seems informative to include both numbers. It would be helpful though to have more of an idea exactly what each number covers. But I don't see any overhyping given that they include the smaller number.

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

AndyZee needs a lesson in reading comprehension..lol

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

I'm looking for the ;-) at the end of that post....You're joking, right?

If true, wow, the PR departments must command a pretty big budget! Not sure why else they'd go through the effort, other than to pump up the stats....

Don’t take it personnel Andy and Comeback, even the slightest inference that somehow Sugarbush is less than perfect is put down pretty quickly here.

 

[Greg]

I agree with you guys, I love Sugarbush and I believe Win has been doing a great job. I appreciate his willingness to get on this board and discuss. Does that give him immediate protection from some of the tougher questions?

Certainly not. I just had a problem with the way he was called out which was based on nothing really. The skiable acreage stat is clearly listed right below the overall acreage. I also think Sugarbush is warranted to post the overall stat. Anyone that has skied there knows there is a ton of skiable off map terrain when the snowpack is deep, and not just in Slide Brook.

Win has been very available to the AZ and SkiMRV community. He's also offered us discounted skiing. Call me a sell-out if you will, but I think he deserves a bit of respect based on that. Again, I just thought taking Win to task on this particular item as well as taking an indirect shot at Tom was not called for, tongue-in-cheek or not. But I'm just an industry shill, right?

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

I agree with you guys, I love Sugarbush and I believe Win has been doing a great job. I appreciate his willingness to get on this board and discuss. Does that give him immediate protection from some of the tougher questions?

Nice post. Fair question.

 

[Greg]

Don’t take it personnel Andy and Comeback, even the slightest inference that somehow Sugarbush is less than perfect is put down pretty quickly here.

For the record, I would feel the same way if this had been any ski area, so maybe it's time to lose the Sugarbush immunity argument, eh HPD?

 

[Tin Woodsman]

Nope. No winkie. They do measure every tree. Trust me.

I'd be surprised if that statement is 100% accurate, Greg. Rather than measuring the area of every tree, which for a glade like Exterminator Woods would be a truly daunting task, it's far more likely that they "cruise" the glade and perform a statistical estimate. Cruising a stand of trees is what loggers do to figure out how many board feet (or tons) may be within a given parcel, and can be done with a pretty high level of accuracy. If you know the species and ages of the trees along with the total acreage in question, it's relatively easy to do.

 

[Greg]

Nice post. Fair question.

I don't agree that it was a fair question. It would be like questioning Whiteface for including the Slides in acreage and vertical despite them being open only a few days per year. But I'm sure you feel hose are appropriate stats, right?

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

For the record, I would feel the same way if this had been any ski area, so maybe it's time to lose the Sugarbush immunity argument, eh HPD?

It's always bugged me, can't let it go. When WF is attacked in a much nastier way then this I and other fans come to it's defense, BUT the attacks are allowed to be posted and rightly so. People have a right to their opinion.

Andy can't even ask a softball question about their skiable acreage? Come one.

I also think Sugarbush is a great mountain, but they get the halo treatment in Alpinezone.

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

I don't agree that it was a fair question. It would be like questioning Whiteface for including the Slides in acreage and vertical despite them being open only a few days per year. But I'm sure you feel hose are appropriate stats, right?

So question that, so what? If I think you're wrong I'll tell you so, but why can't you question it?

 

[Greg]

I'd be surprised if that statement is 100% accurate, Greg. Rather than measuring the area of every tree, which for a glade like Exterminator Woods would be a truly daunting task, it's far more likely that they "cruise" the glade and perform a statistical estimate. Cruising a stand of trees is what loggers do to figure out how many board feet (or tons) may be within a given parcel, and can be done with a pretty high level of accuracy. If you know the species and ages of the trees along with the total acreage in question, it's relatively easy to do.

Gee, thanks. :roll:

If anyone missed it, I was kidding about the tree measuring. I thought it was a ludicrous enough comment that the winkie was implied... :lol:

 

[Tin Woodsman]

I thought Sugarbush was 5000+ acres and Killington was 6000+ acres! ;-)
Actually, both areas are approximately the same size in regards to total acres. However, it is the developed skiable acres – for eastern resorts – that matter most.

I disagree. That provides an artificial advantage to those resort that have chainsawed their trails into McBoulevards. You know, runs like Superstar, Ovation, Double Dipper and the coming iteration of Skyelark. Just b/c Double Dipper is half a mile wide doesn't make it ski any longer. A more accurate measure is trail mileage for cut trails, though acreage for glades is a superior number - each line in a given glade creates a different run. I'm sure the comparison still favors Killington on 5 days a week when Pico is open.

 

[Greg]

It's always bugged me, can't let it go. When WF is attacked in a much nastier way then this I and other fans come to it's defense, BUT the attacks are allowed to be posted and rightly so. People have a right to their opinion.

Andy can't even ask a softball question about their skiable acreage? Come one.

I also think Sugarbush is a great mountain, but they get the halo treatment in Alpinezone.

So question that, so what? If I think you're wrong I'll tell you so, but why can't you question it?

The question was fine. The presentation was poor. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Greg]

It's always bugged me, can't let it go. When WF is attacked in a much nastier way then this I and other fans come to it's defense, BUT the attacks are allowed to be posted and rightly so. People have a right to their opinion.

BTW, aside from the casual "Iceface" comment, exactly how is Whiteface attacked so nastily? Personally I think Hunter and undoubtedly Killington get beat up on far more than Whiteface does. Quit the martyr routine, willya?

 

[andyzee]

I don't agree that it was a fair question. It would be like questioning Whiteface for including the Slides in acreage and vertical despite them being open only a few days per year. But I'm sure you feel hose are appropriate stats, right?

I'm sure if I asked the same question of Killington, no one would have a problem with it. As a matter of fact, you'd have folks dumping fuel into the fire by the truckload.