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Haystack, VT not dead

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http://www.vpr.net/news_detail/86466/



An exclusive ski development that's been on hold since 2007 will open this winter for limited skiing.

The Haystack Club in Wilmington will open a handful of trails to attract prospective buyers to its proposed gated condominium resort.

VPR's Susan Keese reports.

(Sound of lift)

(Keese) On a brown November morning the area around the Haystack base lodge looks like a construction site on hold.

The only noticeable activity is around "Hay Fever" - the mid mountain chair lift the developers have spent $80,000 getting back into shape.

Site manager Bob Rubin says the mountain should be open for skiing on weekends and holidays by early December.

(Rubin) "This is the lift that we've been working on early this winter to get refurbished and get recertified from the state tramway commission. We'll have about five to seven trails off this one lift. And then the more natural snow we get, the more trails we can open naturally."

(Keese) Haystack has been closed for four years. In 2005 Connecticut developer Bob Foisie, bought the 400 acre property for $5 million from Mount Snow.

The company was poised to turn the resort into a private, membership only ski community. Plans included townhouses, condos, a heliport and a combination base lodge, hotel and spa.

But in January of 2007, with only one 4-unit townhouse built, the developers laid off staff and mothballed the project.

At the time, the management cited slow real estate sales as the reason for delay and developer Robert Foisie is not talking about the resort now.

Wilmington Representative Ann Manwaring, who also works in real estate, says Foisie and his associates have done a number of projects in the area.

(Manwaring) "They did the Greenspring condominiums in Dover they did the Kingswood Condominiums in Dover. And they have always been regarded as very well run, very well built. So it was nice to have somebody we knew about come in and do something."

(Keese) But since the project has been mothballed multiple lawsuits have been filed. The local Sewer and Water District has sued the company repeatedly for non payment.

The town of Wilmington acquired the base lodge at a foreclosure auction although the owner can redeem it within a year.

The lodge was gutted for renovations before the project came to a halt. So the mountain will open without one this year.

It will also only be open to Wilmington residents, and prospective second-home buyers.

Rubin says that's because of an agreement with Mount Snow requiring Haystack to operate as a private resort for at least ten years.

(Rubin) "But we also are able to sell 250 tickets a day to residents of Wilmington Vt. So for this winter we'll be able to allow the 250 people from Wilmington to ski, we'll also be selling membership to our club. And of course if anybody wants to come up and tour the real estate they'll be allowed to sample the mountain for the day."

(Keese) Rubin says the winter activity should make the resort more attractive to potential buyers. They'll also be getting a different price on the townhouses, which started at a million and now are listed for half that amount.

For VPR News, I'm Susan Keese.

Wish you the best Haystack!!!-RackemCrackemStackem
 

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this isnt at timeshare, dont see the 2hr sales pitch with a free cruise at the end...this is higher up on the real estate food chain....dont see this project taking off, esp at a hill like haystack, just look at the Yellowstone club...i bet right now you can find some great ski house deals in VT....all they folks from NY/NJ that had 2nd homes up there.....
 

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I so hope this fails. I've enjoyed a little hike and ski here over the last few years...and I liked the old Haystack (laid back, ok skiing for what it was, no frills-just the way it ought to be..and it was cheap). But Private gated ski communities with a Helipad? Go screw! (man, I hate gated communities in lame suburbs, but I hate the idea of them even more in ski-land)

I hope these investors lose what's left of their shirts (hey, how is that Yellow stone club doing?:evil:).

Anyone who spends a million (or half a million) for the exclusive rights to ski at Haystack is a gaper dork.

Have a nice day!
:flame::flame::flame:
 

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I agree private gated ski areas seem lame, but I don't hope it fails. One has to keep the lifts maintained and running or it will never re-open (plus Wilmington residents can get a day ticket so it isn't totally private and will be good for the local community buisnesses.
 

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I agree private gated ski areas seem lame, but I don't hope it fails. One has to keep the lifts maintained and running or it will never re-open (plus Wilmington residents can get a day ticket so it isn't totally private and will be good for the local community buisnesses.
I've toyed with going to Bear on an uber-crowded vacation day, but I'm having a hard time with the uber-price...

the other thing I read was that the Haystack lodge has been torn down and not yet rebuilt. Read: No lodge.
 

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I so hope this fails. I've enjoyed a little hike and ski here over the last few years...and I liked the old Haystack (laid back, ok skiing for what it was, no frills-just the way it ought to be..and it was cheap). But Private gated ski communities with a Helipad? Go screw! (man, I hate gated communities in lame suburbs, but I hate the idea of them even more in ski-land)

I hope these investors lose what's left of their shirts (hey, how is that Yellow stone club doing?:evil:).

Anyone who spends a million (or half a million) for the exclusive rights to ski at Haystack is a gaper dork.

Have a nice day!
:flame::flame::flame:

Great thought process there Mr. Happy. Let's hope it fails so we can write off yet another ski area in Southern VT. If you read up on it, you'd see that they're letting 200 Willmington, VT residents a year sign up and ski there . I have a feeling for now, this is in the "test" phase. If they can get enough people to start buying, I really feel they'll open the area to a more public base.

Honestly, it wouldn't hurt my feelings all that much if the area became all "private". Frankly, I'd rather see the lifts spinning, instead of sitting there doing nothing.

Every time we go to Mt. Snow, we pass Maple Valley twice. It breaks my heart to see the lifts slowly rusting away and the trees getting bigger on the ski trails.
 

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I've toyed with going to Bear on an uber-crowded vacation day, but I'm having a hard time with the uber-price...

the other thing I read was that the Haystack lodge has been torn down and not yet rebuilt. Read: No lodge.

I did visit Bear Creek Club a few years ago. I had one of my top 10 skiing days there. Of course, the huge powder dump, sunshine and freshies (even a day later) might have had something to do with that.

Regarding the lodge, there is a refurbished building (I think it was one of the lodges) that's close to the Haymaker lift. It looks like it needs a little work (I could see some broken windows). I'd post some photos that I took a few weeks ago, but the upload function doesn't seem to be working on AZ. However, I can't imagine they would open the lodge for a 20-200 skiers.

I do have some photos of work in progress on the lift. I will try to post them when I can.
 

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Great thought process there Mr. Happy. Let's hope it fails so we can write off yet another ski area in Southern VT. If you read up on it, you'd see that they're letting 200 Willmington, VT residents a year sign up and ski there . I have a feeling for now, this is in the "test" phase. If they can get enough people to start buying, I really feel they'll open the area to a more public base.

I thought there was a stipulation in the sale that they couldn't open to the general public, or something along those lines.

Honestly, it wouldn't hurt my feelings all that much if the area became all "private". Frankly, I'd rather see the lifts spinning, instead of sitting there doing nothing.

Every time we go to Mt. Snow, we pass Maple Valley twice. It breaks my heart to see the lifts slowly rusting away and the trees getting bigger on the ski trails.

I agree there. I hate seeing a place go to waste like that.
 

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There are some days when I feel like this classic bit from Monty Python sums up Haystack quite well :)

 

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I thought there was a stipulation in the sale that they couldn't open to the general public, or something along those lines.

I think that may be the case? I can't remember...the Deerfield Valley News article may say something to that. I want to say it may be limited to semi private operations until 10 years post sale?
 

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I think that may be the case? I can't remember...the Deerfield Valley News article may say something to that. I want to say it may be limited to semi private operations until 10 years post sale?

The only "public" operation allowed in the deed of sale was for "upto" 200 tickets per day could be sold to residents of Wilmington, VT. (a semi kick back to Wilmington for a couple of concessions they made). Other than that it's operations were to be only for club members, their guests and any folks deemed acceptable by the ownership (i.e. perspective members, various ski industry personel, etc)
 

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I knew Jeff would know the lowdown!

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This weeks deerfield valley news has a 30 years ago today flashback article that the town was planning to foreclose on Haystack resort for non payment of back taxes. I gues that place has always struggled financially.
 

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Great thought process there Mr. Happy. Let's hope it fails so we can write off yet another ski area in Southern VT. If you read up on it, you'd see that they're letting 200 Willmington, VT residents a year sign up and ski there . I have a feeling for now, this is in the "test" phase. If they can get enough people to start buying, I really feel they'll open the area to a more public base.

Honestly, it wouldn't hurt my feelings all that much if the area became all "private". Frankly, I'd rather see the lifts spinning, instead of sitting there doing nothing.

Every time we go to Mt. Snow, we pass Maple Valley twice. It breaks my heart to see the lifts slowly rusting away and the trees getting bigger on the ski trails.


What way do you go to mount snow that passes maple valley?? (Do you mean stratton?)

If it makes you feel bad, why not stop the car and climb up Maple Valley and take a free run? I've done it-plenty of fun

Now back the case at hand:

"Dear, God, Please make the proposed Haystack gated community fail. And buy me new skis for Christmas. And reopen Maple Valley for Glenn in Connecticut. Amen."
 
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