How would you handle this?

[awf170]

This brings up the question -- what's the best CCW for the slope -- a S&W 637 Airweight snubby, or a Glock 26?:roll:

Whippet poles are the way to go.

 

[2knees]

So what - he apologized... Maybe he didn't do it to the guys liking but he did it...
What else could he do??? Get down on his knees and beg forgivness?

get on his knees and beg forgiveness? UHK said neither he nor his wife heard the apology. If he knew the guy apologized, and kept at it, i might have a different take. But now because he didnt hear it, nor did his wife according to the original post, somehow he is the perp and the guy that busted into the liftline is the victim? If anything, i'll give credit to the boarder for not escalating by going back at him. Sometimes you're just wrong, like when you barrel into a liftline, and you have to take some modicum of shit for it.

 

[ski_resort_observer]

Fold it. It works! I wouldn't lie. You can trust me. :wink:

cool..thanks..I forgot vinyl folded so easily :lol:

 

[Lostone]

1) The rules make no separation as to the difficulty of the trail. When you bought your pass, you accepted the rules they posted. Live by the agreement you made.

B) For an apology to be an apology, it must be heard by the person to whom it is given. That is a basic fact of an apology. Why else would it be given?

III) Yes society is crumbling. Look around you. You can help make things better, or you can help them deteriorate. We all choose our paths. We are responsible for the paths we take.

 

[Lostone]

So you mean to tell me that if some gaper jumps in front of me from a dead stop on a bump line or sleezes in from behind on an angle that I'm supposed to stop!?!?!?

Either of these could easily be considered his violation of the rules. The hard one is him coming from uphill and going past you and stopping. That woud be his entering the trail from an obscured position. (behind you.)

 

[dmc]

1) III) Yes society is crumbling. Look around you. You can help make things better, or you can help them deteriorate. We all choose our paths. We are responsible for the paths we take.

Don't you think your over reacting(and preaching) just a tad?

Fact is - the guy said he apologized... And he may have or maybe he didn't... But he said he did and thats good enough for me..
You choose your way to deal with society and I'll choose mine...

 

[dmc]

Either of these could easily be considered his violation of the rules. The hard one is him coming from uphill and going past you and stopping. That woud be his entering the trail from an obscured position. (behind you.)

Its not even stopping... I hit a guy coming down to a lift a couple years back.. I was moving but checking my speed back against the trees a couple yard from them.

There was a guy carving big turns uphill of me that I had just caught out of the corner of my eye - he was flying - came in from behind me on an angle towards the woods - going considerably faster then me - I had nowhere to go except the woods or him - I chose him and I nailed him(or he nailed me) as he got in my path... Absolutely nothing I could do... Total yardsale... Had to shake it off...

The guy tried to start with me but I didn't bite...

 

[JimG.]

I'm glad I wear a helmet...I really like my new Giro G10.

After reading this thread, I'm going to start wearing it while I'm driving too.

 

[Marc]

I'm glad I wear a helmet...I really like my new Giro G10.

After reading this thread, I'm going to start wearing it while I'm driving too.

I'm going to start using a pre tensioning seatbelt, front impact air bags, side impact curtains and crumple zones when I ski.


Gonna be a bitch skiing with that seat and steering wheel though. I hope i don't whack anyone with my A pillar.

 

[blacknblue]

There are a ton of tangential issues brought up throughout this thread, but to respond to the original post... It's so hard to say without having seen/heard the situation what all the particulars are, but, in general, it sounds like the snowboarder guy was being reckless in a crowded area. It seems a bit harsh how UHK responded, but maybe the guy was way out of control and reckless; I have no idea.

To me, the larger issue (which a few people have brought up) is that, like it or not, we share the slopes and chairlifts. As such, those participating are responsible to recognize and ensure the safety of others around them. With the increasing numbers on the slopes, there is a greater endangerment. We all know that we have the capacity to seriously injure while skiing/riding, and that capacity demands our attention and care. When we drive through a crowded pedestrian area, we slow down; when we ski/ride through a large herd of people at the bottom of the hill, we slow down. Usually, it's an instinctive response.

I think what really gets us the most fired up (and maybe why UHK responded as he did) is when others are completely oblivious to our safety. Example - I know two people who aren't skiing this year b/c they are still recovering from being skied/ridden into last year. In both cases, the other person was clearly at fault, left unscathed, and ski/rode away without an apology (in one case leaving the person alone and bleeding profusely from his face, under his helmet). Hey accidents happen, but those two deliberately left the 'scene of the crime' with no regard to their fellow skier/rider's predicament.

I don't care if I get jostled or bumped in line; that happens in a crowd. And I can't tell you how many times somebody has hit me in the back of the head putting the 'safety' bar down on the chairlift b/c they weren't paying attention to me. Not a big deal. But when someone is aggregiously and recklessly endangering me or others, well, that's a big deal, whether it's going full bore toward the liftline or being stupid/careless on the slopes. And since official enforcement is nearly impossible, I think it's fine if other skiers/riders explain, chastise, or reprimand those who are endangering others with their behavior.

 

[JimG.]

To me, the larger issue (which a few people have brought up) is that, like it or not, we share the slopes and chairlifts. As such, those participating are responsible to recognize and ensure the safety of others around them. With the increasing numbers on the slopes, there is a greater endangerment. We all know that we have the capacity to seriously injure while skiing/riding, and that capacity demands our attention and care. When we drive through a crowded pedestrian area, we slow down; when we ski/ride through a large herd of people at the bottom of the hill, we slow down. Usually, it's an instinctive response.

I think what really gets us the most fired up (and maybe why UHK responded as he did) is when others are completely oblivious to our safety. Example - I know two people who aren't skiing this year b/c they are still recovering from being skied/ridden into last year. In both cases, the other person was clearly at fault, left unscathed, and ski/rode away without an apology (in one case leaving the person alone and bleeding profusely from his face, under his helmet). Hey accidents happen, but those two deliberately left the 'scene of the crime' with no regard to their fellow skier/rider's predicament.

I don't care if I get jostled or bumped in line; that happens in a crowd. And I can't tell you how many times somebody has hit me in the back of the head putting the 'safety' bar down on the chairlift b/c they weren't paying attention to me. Not a big deal. But when someone is aggregiously and recklessly endangering me or others, well, that's a big deal, whether it's going full bore toward the liftline or being stupid/careless on the slopes. And since official enforcement is nearly impossible, I think it's fine if other skiers/riders explain, chastise, or reprimand those who are endangering others with their behavior.

I did address this is a very shortened way when I said that the skier's responsibility code makes one huge assumption...that the person reading it is responsible. Perhaps your longer version will ellicit feedback; mine didn't.

I guess I've gotten cynical...the world is filled with irresponsible people who couldn't care less about other people. Go ahead and talk about Europe, when it comes to being self absorbed nowhere is it done to an extreme like in the US. Everyone is a victim and everyone has an excuse.

I gave up trying to chastise the irresponsible. You clip one ticket and there will be 10 other jerks out there to take that person's place. I watch out for my family and me. If I see an out of control skier heading towards my 4 year old, I'll tackle that person before they hit my son. Then I'll help them up and apologize. If they think I'm an asshole for taking them out, so be it. They have no clue regardless.

So keep your eyes and ears open, because in the end it's up to you to protect yourself.

 

[SkiDork]

can't we all just get along?

 

[dmc]

can't we all just get along?

We get along - we just have different opinions.. this isn't KChat...

 

[dmc]

So keep your eyes and ears open, because in the end it's up to you to protect yourself.

Personal responsibility... wow..
Seems like a lot to do when there's rules deflecting the responsibilities onto someone else...

 

[SkiDork]

We get along - we just have different opinions.. this isn't KChat...

I almost lost my lunch on that one....

You rule DMC!!!!!!!

 

[JimG.]

Personal responsibility... wow..
Seems like a lot to do when there's rules deflecting the responsibilities onto someone else...

Groundbreaking, I know.

I must preface my next comment by saying that I feel nothing but sympathy for anyone who winds up in a hospital or off their skis because they got hit out on the hill.

I worry about me and mine because I would get no solace lying in a hospital bed waiting for reconstructive knee surgery knowing that the person who took me out clearly violated the skier's responsibility code. I mean, who cares?