Ideal ski towns for the future factoring in all issues?

[ss20]

Taxes in California are insane. There is the Reno option but I would want a different climate and overall landscape. I don't think I would choose Tahoe based on my prior experiences most of which were discussed above in some maner. My decision will be retirement based because that is comming soon. We were looking into the Vancouver area and maybe Europe kind of an outside dream. We also looked into the Bend Area and SLC. Somewhere north of SLC might be the ticket with culture and decent food close by.

If you're north of SLC and relying on Snowbasin as your home mountain....be aware it's Epic and has experienced new crowding issues.

I've been around the Draper/Provo area and it's really nice. Probably where I'd go if I didn't have to stay close to Alta. There is a nice commuter rail line that takes you into SLC.

 

[Edd]

Hoestly Edd, I have not looked at all the specifics. I am not even sure I would live in Vancouver. One positive thing that I am interested in is not having to listen to continuous bithing about american politics and Covid. That will be a bonus from moving up there that far outways any cost.

Don’t get me wrong, moving to Vancouver sounds dreamy. If $ were no object I’d make a beeline for it.

 

[Smellytele]

Hoestly Edd, I have not looked at all the specifics. I am not even sure I would live in Vancouver. One positive thing that I am interested in is not having to listen to continuous bithing about american politics and Covid. That will be a bonus from moving up there that far outways any cost.

There is no covid in Canada? I am moving there now.

 

[abc]

There is no covid in Canada? I am moving there now.

The covid case number in Canada is a tiny fraction of that of the US.

I've spent a good chunk of my time up there this past summer. "No Covid" was part of the motivation. (The other part is I also like Canada a lot. And had looked into immigration in the past -- when a certain so-and-so was President. From what I could find, it's pretty difficult. So I'd be curious as to how other retiree managed that through some channels I missed)

 

[deadheadskier]

Quebec has investment visa programs periodically. Pay for citizenship essentially. Otherwise you have to have an employment skill in need such as being an RN or MD.

 

[Smellytele]

Quebec has investment visa programs periodically. Pay for citizenship essentially. Otherwise you have to have an employment skill in need such as being an RN or MD.

So no retirees unless you “invest” in socialism.

 

[Edd]

So no retirees unless you “invest” in socialism.

Not actual socialism, right? Socialism is another bogeyman. So many bogeymen. Look under your bed, could be some socialism waiting to get you. BOO!

 

[abc]

Moreover, the US is one of the few country that does NOT offer a pathway of $$$ for citizenship for the longest time!

We ask, instead the "poor, the sick and etc...". That's more socialism than the rest of the world. Just the kind of socialism that everyone is "free" to starve or work at minimum wage.

 

[deadheadskier]

So no retirees unless you “invest” in socialism.

They're not really looking for retirees. They are looking for educated and work experienced high net worth individuals that will I vest $1.2M. the investment is paid back in full in 5 years

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[Geoff]

Don’t get me wrong, moving to Vancouver sounds dreamy. If $ were no object I’d make a beeline for it.

My sister has lived in Vancouver since the 1980s. One of her co-workers has always had a house at Creekside across the street from the parking lot. I probably have 100+ days at Whistler over the years staying at that house. My sister and brother-in-law stopped downhill skiing years ago. They head up to Cypress to XC ski. Not my thing but it's really close to the city. Hand me $5 million to buy into their housing market and I'd have no problem living there. It's simply not affordable on my net worth.

If I didn't have the salt water thing as really important to my life, I think Santa Fe would be at the top of my list. It's a great town. Ski Santa Fe is a fun little ski area. Taos is close. It's no big deal to drive up into Colorado for some diversity. ABQ is a pretty good airport. I have friends with a house in Corrales. That's pretty much the top suburb of Albuquerque and more affordable than Taos.

 

[thebigo]

You can move to Canada if relocated by a multinational. We moved an engineer and his family from Egypt to Ontario just a few years back. I do not know every detail but there was no large investment.

I was asked to relocate to Quebec a number of years ago, declined because I suck at learning languages; also declined a relocation to Munich in my 20s for the same reason.

There is something compelling about the idea of international relocation but personally everytime I am out of the usa I am ready to come home after around 7 - 10 days.

 

[bigbob]

If Les Otten does finally pull off the Balsums Resort re birth, I would move north to that area of NH. I just don't know which town or east or west side of Dixville Notch. I would look for a low property tax rate, which my current town of Lee does not have!

 

[deadheadskier]

If lower property taxes really mattered to me, I'd be looking Maine and not somewhere near Dixville.

 

[Geoff]

You can move to Canada if relocated by a multinational. We moved an engineer and his family from Egypt to Ontario just a few years back. I do not know every detail but there was no large investment.

I was asked to relocate to Quebec a number of years ago, declined because I suck at learning languages; also declined a relocation to Munich in my 20s for the same reason.

There is something compelling about the idea of international relocation but personally everytime I am out of the usa I am ready to come home after around 7 - 10 days.

My sister is a Canadian citizen. When my 89 year old mother in memory care dies, we can get in on a family reunification program. Vancouver prices are so absurd that it’s not plausible.

I keep looking at Grenada Spain. Sierra Nevada is real mountains. The Med is just to the south. We’re talking about doing 90 days in Europe in the winter on monthly rentals as retirees. Grenada is an option. Barcelona is an option. Nice is an option. The Italian riviera is an option. Live where it’s mild and skiing is a bus ride. It’s off season so there is lots of rental housing available

 

[thebigo]

If lower property taxes really mattered to me, I'd be looking Maine and not somewhere near Dixville.

To my knowledge maine taxes 401k disbursements as income. If you have spent your life working/saving and plan to be retired for any length of time, this works out to a tremendous amount of money.

Best I can determine NH resort towns are the best deal for retirement in the northeast. Hebron, bridgewater, bartlett, Moultonborough, hart's location come to mind.

 

[AdironRider]

If lower property taxes really mattered to me, I'd be looking Maine and not somewhere near Dixville.

Maine has one of the highest overall tax burdens in the country.

 

[deadheadskier]

Maine has one of the highest overall tax burdens in the country.

I'm aware. I lived there. I could still do so now or anywhere in VT or MA too with my current job. I live in NH for several reasons, but the economics are a big one.

But during retirement years that equation might change. There are many towns in Maine with dirt cheap property taxes. Those same places also have much more affordable real estate than NH. So, I'd need to do the math and figure out what my annual retirement income will be. Does Maine's income and sales taxes exceed the premium we pay on property taxes in NH? There are estate taxes there to consider as well. It will be a function of the nest egg I build over the next 15-20 years as to whether we move or stay put.

 

[Geoff]

Maine has one of the highest overall tax burdens in the country.

I haven’t looked recently but when I was contemplating changing mountains in the ASC malaise years, Carrabassett Valley had a property tax rate that looked like Killington when I bought there pre-Act 60. $6-something mill rate. I decided against Sugarloaf but the home ownership costs were way lower than at Killington.

The state income tax rate in Maine is pretty ugly. Even the bottom bracket is 5.8%. They don’t tax military pensions so a lot of military retirees land there.

 

[snoseek]

If you live in a town like fryberg you can at least make conway your goto place to buy stuff to avoid alot of the sales tax. That's gotta cut that burden quite a bit. Still got the income though.

 

[machski]

And to think 20 years ago those wild fires weren't "seasonal" but only once in a few years...

And only in different, isolated areas, not spread across wide areas.

Ahh, forest fires are only climate related. Not! Perhaps if we want to talk growth of a fire and length of season. But the amount of fires starting is also quite related to the massive growth in popularity if humans recreating in the wilds of the west. Most of the fires are human originated, not natural ignition sources. To pin western fire activity to just one factor is very popular but so non-scientific.

BTW, the big Caldor Tahoe fire? Yup, started by humans, I believe an arrest or 2 have been made in connection now.