Killington, 1/20/10 - The tamest "Beast" I've ever met :-(

[drjeff]

Bumps not as big, but Outer Limits does still get bumped up edge to edge

And they still let others bump up edge to edge too...

Superstar

Downdraft and Double Dipper

SS, the problem with those pics is that they're from almost 2 years ago. And while K has changed since then (and consensus would say generally for the better) it's not an indication of what the modern 2010 grooming/snow maintence/bump plan is for K. And what it seems is the crux of BMM's criticism (and remember he drives a cat) is how K is going about managing the snow of their bump runs. It's one thing to just make a ton of snow (which K has) but an entirely different thing to maintain it, especially with respect to bumps.

 

[Greg]

Part of the problem is I think some people have a misunderstanding of what good bumps are. The OL bumps in skiingsnow's pic look pretty good. Supe looks okay, nothing great, but those Downdraft/Dipper moguls are typical GS shit bumps. Just because a trail is ungroomed and bumpy doesn't mean they're good mogul zipperlines.

 

[deadheadskier]

good point. I'd probably rather ski a groomer than the garbage pictured on downdraft and double dipper

 

[2knees]

Part of the problem is I think some people have a misunderstanding of what good bumps are. The OL bumps in skiingsnow's pic look pretty good. Supe looks okay, nothing great, but those Downdraft/Dipper moguls are typical GS shit bumps. Just because a trail is ungroomed and bumpy doesn't mean they're good mogul zipperlines.

well, if you could ski anything other then seeded bumps, you may have a different opinion. :flame: :lol:

 

[deadheadskier]

I'm a gaper. I can only ski seeded bumps. I'm sure people laugh at me at Ragged as there are no seeded bumps.

 

[Greg]

well, if you could ski anything other then seeded bumps, you may have a different opinion. :flame: :lol:

You're right! I almost forgot. :lol:

 

[drjeff]

Part of the problem is I think some people have a misunderstanding of what good bumps are. The OL bumps in skiingsnow's pic look pretty good. Supe looks okay, nothing great, but those Downdraft/Dipper moguls are typical GS shit bumps. Just because a trail is ungroomed and bumpy doesn't mean they're good mogul zipperlines.

I don't know about that. I look at those pictures, and I see the Killington (and many other places across the US) bumps that I grew up skiing in the 80's/early 90's. Big, wide front faces and a bit of a spine down their longer backside and variability in their sizing and spacing. The type of bumps where you really had to be looking 2 to 5 bumps downhill to stay on top of your line. And there were plenty of folks ripping zipperlines down bump fields that looked just like that - the difference was when a "rogue spaced" bump popped up in the line, you dealt with it - might not look as pretty as a generally perfectly rythmic seeded line, but you either dealt with it, exploded on it, or just looked a bit herb like for a few seconds

 

[Greg]

I don't know about that. I look at those pictures, and I see the Killington (and many other places across the US) bumps that I grew up skiing in the 80's/early 90's. Big, wide front faces and a bit of a spine down their longer backside and variability in their sizing and spacing. The type of bumps where you really had to be looking 2 to 5 bumps downhill to stay on top of your line. And there were plenty of folks ripping zipperlines down bump fields that looked just like that - the difference was when a "rogue spaced" bump popped up in the line, you dealt with it - might not look as pretty as a generally perfectly rythmic seeded line, but you either dealt with it, exploded on it, or just looked a bit herb like for a few seconds

You're right. Thanks for setting this seeded-only bump skier straight.

 

[St. Bear]

good point. I'd probably rather ski a groomer than the garbage pictured on downdraft and double dipper

Spend a season skiing a place like MC, and get back to me as to whether or not you still feel that way.

Bad bumps >> no bumps

 

[2knees]

I don't know about that. I look at those pictures, and I see the Killington (and many other places across the US) bumps that I grew up skiing in the 80's/early 90's. Big, wide front faces and a bit of a spine down their longer backside and variability in their sizing and spacing. The type of bumps where you really had to be looking 2 to 5 bumps downhill to stay on top of your line. And there were plenty of folks ripping zipperlines down bump fields that looked just like that - the difference was when a "rogue spaced" bump popped up in the line, you dealt with it - might not look as pretty as a generally perfectly rythmic seeded line, but you either dealt with it, exploded on it, or just looked a bit herb like for a few seconds

I have to disagree with this assesment of the cascade/dipper pic. those sure look pretty useless to me and i also grew up skiing bumps through the 80's and early 90's. I remember cascade back when it was regularly bumped and it sure never looked like that.

I think sometimes the term "zipperline" is over used and misunderstood. Again, looks can be decieving, but i dont see anything even remotely zipperlineable in that pic.

 

[Greg]

I have to disagree with this assesment of the cascade/dipper pic. those sure look pretty useless to me and i also grew up skiing bumps through the 80's and early 90's. I remember cascade back when it was regularly bumped and it sure never looked like that.

I think sometimes the term "zipperline" is over used and misunderstood. Again, looks can be decieving, but i dont see anything even remotely zipperlineable in that pic.

Shut up and go ski some seeded bumps you poser.

 

[2knees]

Shut up and go ski some seeded bumps you poser.

like these perfectly symmetrical left right left cheater lines?

seriously, the whole nat or seeded thing is really out there. these were seeded and sure didnt ski all perfect. deep, oddly shaped and fast.

 

[bvibert]

I have to disagree with this assesment of the cascade/dipper pic. those sure look pretty useless to me and i also grew up skiing bumps through the 80's and early 90's. I remember cascade back when it was regularly bumped and it sure never looked like that.

I think sometimes the term "zipperline" is over used and misunderstood. Again, looks can be decieving, but i dont see anything even remotely zipperlineable in that pic.

Highwaystar could totally zipperline the crap out of those bumps.

 

[2knees]

Highwaystar could totally zipperline the crap out of those bumps.

Mr. Star is on another level. Not a fair comparison.

 

[bvibert]

Mr. Star is on another level. Not a fair comparison.

You're right, don't know what I was thinking... Sorry...

 

[Greg]

like these perfectly symmetrical left right left cheater lines?

seriously, the whole nat or seeded thing is really out there. these were seeded and sure didnt ski all perfect. deep, oddly shaped and fast.

Yeah, exactly. I wonder how many here that think seeded bumps are so easy are going to show up at the mighty Sundown and test their mettle next weekend....

I forgot how big, deep and troughy those upper bumps were. :-o

 

[2knees]

Yeah, exactly. I wonder how many here that think seeded bumps are so easy are going to show up at the mighty Sundown and test their mettle next weekend....

I forgot how big, deep and troughy those upper bumps were. :-o

stop flexing the muscles tough guy! :wink:

i just think that people underestimate how much the end product realies on the people skiing them in. Natty or seeded, both can be very easy and forgiving or total crap and difficult.

 

[bvibert]

I forgot how big, deep and troughy those upper bumps were. :-o

I hope they don't look like that this year, I'll be too scared to ski them...

 

[andyzee]

Shots from today:

 

[Newpylong]

I agree, I think all of the old towers/lift equipment needs to be removed if it's just going to sit there. It's an eyesore and does not help the image of th emt.