Leash law opinions

[catskills]

The very fact that they do not take the time to think this through means they are just being pains in the a$$es to riders...

Tele free heelers have the same leash requirements. Also alpine skis that have broken ski brakes can satisfy the NY state law with a leash.

The NY state leash law has been in affect long before Burton marketed the snowboard and long before the invention of alpine fixed heel ski brakes. If you attempted to get on the chair lift in the 1960s without a leash on each ski they would not let you on the lift.

Its kind of funny how snowboarders think everyone is out to get them.

 

[dmc]

Tele free heelers have the same leash requirements. Also alpine skis that have broken ski brakes can satisfy the NY state law with a leash.

The NY state leash law has been in affect long before Burton marketed the snowboard and long before the invention of alpine fixed heel ski brakes. If you attempted to get on the chair lift in the 1960s without a leash on each ski they would not let you on the lift.

Its kind of funny how snowboarders think everyone is out to get them.

Dude... Think about it for one second...

4 straps attach a snowboard to a binding that is screwed to the deck with 4 screws a binding... They do not just fall off like a tele or alpine binding when it releases... Apline skis have "breaks".... Tele skis don't so they need a strap...

Why can't you understand this?

Snowboard bindings have come a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG way since the SIms bindings I used in 1989... They are now actually safe and robust...

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One more thing... Here's your quote:
"18-104. Duties of Passengers.
To wear retention straps or other devices to prevent runaway skis;"

There's no mention of a leash... Just straps..
And again... snowboard has 2 straps per binding...

 

[tjf67]

The only time I see a run away sno board is when a bumb ass gets in over there head( which is not so dumb just human nature) then they take their board off thinking it will be easier to walk down w. They fall let go of the board and the terror starts.

I see about 50/50 with the teli gear and leashes. If I were to teli I would have one just so I dont loose my ski.

 

[wintersyndrome]

Step-ins and Flow bindings, good idea for 1-million times they come loose...

Standard Two Strap bindings, leash law = useless.

+1...

 

[whitemtn27]

Oddly enough, although I had never in my life seen a runaway snowboard, I saw TWO last weekend at Magic, come rocketing down and crash into ski racks at the base area. So do they happen? Yes.

Does attaching a 6" leash when you're already strapped in accomplish anything whatsoever? No.

Why are people taking their board off in a place where it can run downhill? Who knows, but apparently they do.

How could you prevent said boards from running off? I don't know, but not with a leash, unless it was long enough to attach to, say, your belt, but then you would have a probably worse safety problem of it getting caught on branches, ski poles, other people, etc. Probably need some kind of retractable brake system like skis have... in Massachusetts the actual law is all persons on the mountain "must use devices to prevent runaway equipment". I bet you could argue that since a leash doesn't actually do that, you shouldn't have to use it :razz:

 

[2Planker]

This is very true. In the aftermath of the incident I referred to, my patrol director made the reactionary decision that when I take my board off on the hill, I would need to leave the leash attatched to my leg (this was the webbing style strap with the plastic clip). On this busy day at the mountain, they were annoyed at needing to send down a second patroller to ski my sled away while I hoofed it 200' down the trail and probably 20' into the woods to retrieve my board. The thought of the liability of a patroller's board causing an injury I'm sure sparked the reaction. I accepted this ridiculousness for two days until I decided on my own to stop wearing the leash while helping injured skiers and riders. And voila, the problem went away and was never mentioned again.

Anyway, without making 2planker feel like we are picking on him, I would be curious if the rider in the incident he referred to was wearing a leash or not, as it was not mentioned, and as pointed out it would not have made a difference if the bindings broke free of the board.

Pick on me all you want Ha Ha.... The rider was not wearing a leash when his collision occurred and the board broke free to go another 150 feet downhill and strike a child in the neck, causing both acute and chronic injuries... I'm not picking sides, I just feel it might have been avoided, and the victim was certainly not a fault

 

[dmc]

Pick on me all you want Ha Ha.... The rider was not wearing a leash when his collision occurred and the board broke free to go another 150 feet downhill and strike a child in the neck, causing both acute and chronic injuries... I'm not picking sides, I just feel it might have been avoided, and the victim was certainly not a fault

I call bullshti on that.. 4 straps would have to fail.. 4 straps...

 

[jm99]

I used to snowskate and my snowskate had a long coily leash (kind of like a telephone cord) that I would attach to a belt loop. But runaway snowskates are way more common than runaway boards because your feet aren't attached at all. Maybe that would work for boards?

 

[2Planker]

I call bullshti on that.. 4 straps would have to fail.. 4 straps...

This was many years ago... and the equipment was old then.... Also, the rider was not fully strapped and then ADMITTED that he was wrong to hit the jump under such circumstances.

-- Admitting you were in the wrong, in a written statement.
-- Not having what was required by federal law, in case of an accident
-- Having your equipment cause injury to an innocent guest, who was standing still.

Unfortunate for sure, but many would jump all over that case.......

Take it up w/ the Plantiff's attorney

 

[BigJay]

So Tele-dude get his leash off... then take his skis off.... then starts walking... slips... Teles should be slidding all over the place as well...

I guess the only mighty skier still is the safer of the slidding world...

...but wait, XC skis don't have leashes? Oh god! Let's get to them... oh no, wearing spandex is enough shame for them!

:argue:

:idea:

 

[dmc]

This was many years ago... and the equipment was old then.... Also, the rider was not fully strapped and then ADMITTED that he was wrong to hit the jump under such circumstances.

-- Admitting you were in the wrong, in a written statement.
-- Not having what was required by federal law, in case of an accident
-- Having your equipment cause injury to an innocent guest, who was standing still.

Unfortunate for sure, but many would jump all over that case.......

Take it up w/ the Plantiff's attorney

Old equipment... Right... Like i said... things have changed considerably since those days... Leashes were needed back then.. Bindings were very rudimentary.. And unsafe...

But today things are different... Bindings are stronger and straps and ratchets are WAAAAY better....

If a skier doesn't put there boots on correctly and the boot slips off and a ski get lose the same friggin thing could happen.. To a poor innocent guest...

 

[2Planker]

Ski's have Brakes on them, so No the same thing wouldn't happen....

 

[dmc]

Ski's have Brakes on them, so No the same thing wouldn't happen....

If a boot is still in the binding - the brake does not engage...

So yes.,.. the same thing will happen....

Keep trying... I'll keep knocking your shti down...

 

[2Planker]

Old equipment... Right... Like i said... things have changed considerably since those days... Leashes were needed back then.. Bindings were very rudimentary.. And unsafe...

But today things are different... Bindings are stronger and straps and ratchets are WAAAAY better....

If a skier doesn't put there boots on correctly and the boot slips off and a ski get lose the same friggin thing could happen.. To a poor innocent guest...

You need to re-read your own statement "and the boot slipped off" thus the brake would be activated.....

Keep trying

 

[dmc]

You need to re-read your own statement "and the boot slipped off" thus the brake would be activated.....

Keep trying

You know what i meant.. Don't play me.....


2 straps hold a boot into a binding..
the law states that there needs to be a safety strap...
Snowboarders have 2 on each foot...

So what is the issue?

 

[2Planker]

The retention strap is meant to attach you directly to the board, The binding straps are not retention straps.

Call your congressman, the law is old, and should probably be reviewed... Not my job...

 

[dmc]

The retention strap is meant to attach you directly to the board, The binding straps are not retention straps.

Call your congressman, the law is old, and should probably be reviewed... Not my job...

What is with you wanting me to call people....

A snowboard retention strap has ALWAY attached the boot to the binding..
NEVER has it been attached directly to the deck...

Keep trying... Or should I call someone else?

 

[2Planker]

It's meant to attach you to a part of the board, so that you don't become separated from the board in the event of a fall, and "equipment failure"

I couldn't care less about how, or where it attaches, just that it retains the board.

Over + Out...

 

[dmc]

It's meant to attach you to a part of the board, so that you don't become separated from the board in the event of a fall, and "equipment failure"

I couldn't care less about how, or where it attaches, just that it retains the board.

Over + Out...

Let me say this slowly - cause I see you have some issues with numbers...

Two - straps - attach - a - boot - to - a - binding.

This keeps you from separating from your board in the event of a fall. Count them... 2 straps..
The 2 straps will retain the board...

What happens if a ski brake fails? I've actually seen this..

 

[2Planker]

Those straps are part of the binding. They are not considered to be the "retention straps". What about the older style of step in alpine bindings ??

There are many laws that are outdated, but it's the resorts decision, as dictated by the liabilty ins. carrier, to enforce it or not.

Keep trying... but I'm done...