Mt snow bluebird

[mbedle]

Can we all just agree to not let 7 pages of forums be used up by these kind of posts. I feel like I'm reading the cnn.com comments. Snowlover, best of luck to you. Hope you ultimately enjoy your time out here in the east. Yes, as you made it clear, man made snow sucks, bubble lifts suck, ticket prices sucks, everything east coast sucks... I, for one, love it here and would not change it for anything. We are tough, thick skinned and willing and able to deal with the unpredictable winter weather and all things that come with the east coast.

 

[ScottySkis]

Orographic lift/upslope happens across all the spine of the green mountains. Most of it happens over the Mansfield area as can clearly be seen in precip map. There's no maximum near jay. The longer the ridge line compared to a solo peak where air can go around, the more air is forced upward, which is why a platuea like tug hill is so effective.(lake effect added on maximisez the effect WAY more) The microclimate jay claims is the same exact one basically across the entire northern greens. Nothing special and if you watch the radar you'll see.

Sure I agree don't go to Jay they don't get natural your 150% correct.

 

[BenedictGomez]

Orographic lift/upslope happens across all the spine of the green mountains. Most of it happens over the Mansfield area as can clearly be seen in precip map. There's no maximum near jay. The longer the ridge line compared to a solo peak where air can go around, the more air is forced upward, which is why a platuea like tug hill is so effective.(lake effect added on maximisez the effect WAY more) The microclimate jay claims is the same exact one basically across the entire northern greens. Nothing special and if you watch the radar you'll see.

The above post is a great example of why I don't comment on things like art history.

 

[drjeff]

What would I know about Mount Snow anyway? I've only skied here since '85, been a seasonal skier here since '01, owned here since '07 and have 21 days there this season to date, over 150 rides on the Bluebird this season and on a first name basis with essentially all the Mount Snow management (and a ton of other Mount Snow employees and general Deerfield Valley business owners and employees too)

You may be a snowlover, but you don't know cr@p about Mount Snow!

Let this go and move on to your next asinine rant please!!

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[Edd]

Hello Snowlover. My opinion? Alpine Zone is a collection of jerks. This forum will welcome you warmly : http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/

 

[BenedictGomez]

Hello Snowlover. My opinion? Alpine Zone is a collection of jerks. This forum will welcome you warmly : http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/

I'm assuming he already has at least 2,000 posts on TG.

 

[Snowlover]

Can we all just agree to not let 7 pages of forums be used up by these kind of posts. I feel like I'm reading the cnn.com comments. Snowlover, best of luck to you. Hope you ultimately enjoy your time out here in the east. Yes, as you made it clear, man made snow sucks, bubble lifts suck, ticket prices sucks, everything east coast sucks... I, for one, love it here and would not change it for anything. We are tough, thick skinned and willing and able to deal with the unpredictable winter weather and all things that come with the east coast.

I LOVE skiing the east coast when it's on. I don't really see what my arguments have to do with that.(saying the west is better doesn't mean I don't like skiing here!...saying jay peak gets way less than 375 doesn't mean it doesn't get a lot of snow for the east)

 

[Snowlover]

Back to those precip maps. Every post you make shows your stupidity more and more. And back to being a radar junky.

And your official nws data proving me wrong? All the data backs my argument. The only argument you have is what the resort claims. No way you can know how much snow without measuring every event 24/7. Hell you could ski 2 feet of snow in ct. Doesn't mean we get dumped on like that regularly.

 

[mriceyman]

And your official nws data proving me wrong? All the data backs my argument. The only argument you have is what the resort claims. No way you can know how much snow without measuring every event 24/7. Hell you could ski 2 feet of snow in ct. Doesn't mean we get dumped on like that regularly.

I have family that lives less than a mile from the hill.
Maybe its the way you write things here thats the problem. It seems everyone takes the things you say and interprets them differently than the way you would like them too.

 

[Snowlover]

I have family that lives less than a mile from the hill.
Maybe its the way you write things here thats the problem. It seems everyone takes the things you say and interprets them differently than the way you would like them too.

Do they measure the snow? Are they official nws spotters who travel to mid elevation at jay peak and measure multiple times throughout the day during every storm in a relatively wind protected area? Jay peak gets LOTS of snow. Probably almost 200 inches a year. That's a lot of snow. 375 is out of the box. Places like Alta have official nws data backing up the resorts claim. Jay peak has data that points against it. The most snow EVER measured in the state of vt in a single season was 322 inches at mansfield. EVER! All time record. Tug hill got 466 inches at hooker, ny in one season.

 

[ScottySkis]

You snowy non lover been post here or as some one else I bet. He just loved being a pain in the ass. He or she gets off on it would be my guess.

 

[wa-loaf]

 

[mlctvt]

wow, I don't tune in for a few hours and this is what I miss! Damn.

I'm a Mount Snow regular, all I can say is when it was cold a few weeks ago the Bubble chair kept me skiing for 4-5 hours straight with no breaks. Ive never done that before with temps below 5 degrees plus added wind too. I also skied the north face but not being in the wind all the time on the ride up on the front side makes an incredible difference on very cold windy days. I'm sure the mountain is also happy they made the investment!

Nothing else to add now since everyone else pretty much covered it all.

 

[deadheadskier]

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wiser words may never have been spoken

:lol:

 

[Bene288]

Oh and bromley has 49 buck mid week lift tickets so jay peak is not cheapest at all. What's magic charge? In the 40's right?

Yeah but Magic has occasional twigs sticking up from the base. I don't think you could handle such extremes.

 

[Snowlover]

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Unless you're around a bunch of assholes....then you're around a bunch of assholes. Assholes tend to congregate among each other. I don't see them all day. Just on some internet forums.

 

[Snowlover]

Yeah but Magic has occasional twigs sticking up from the base. I don't think you could handle such extremes.

Yeah, that's a little too hardcore for me.

So bromley it is

 

[gmcunni]

Yeah, that's a little too hardcore for me.

So bromley it is

bromley on a warm sunny day is awesome!

 

[gregnye]

That just made me fantasize about a bubble lift at Wildcat. Sweeeet.

I would love this too--but they would never do this--there would be soooo many more wind-holds (and that chair is already way low to the ground as it is--they'd have to basically make it as low as a T-bar lol)

 

[billski]

wow, I don't tune in for a few hours and this is what I miss! Damn.

Me too!
Having suffered three pages of readings, I have a few reactions, none of which you want to hear!
- I find snowlover to be provocative, creating some interesting dialog, with plenty to disagree on. Makes for better reading. I don't find him antagonistic at all. I can't say I agree with him on many points, but let's show some civility. Do you really want this to turn into a TGR bash-fest?
- Can we keep the personal insults out of this and just focus on the facts? I wouldn't be so nauseous and you guys wouldn't be so defensive! And from what I've seen and read snowlover actually has done a pretty good job focusing on the issue (facts or opinion, I don't care).
- Help me with why capital investments don't incur cost. Unless you are paying outright in cash, there is debt service, no? Depreciation? Yes. In terms of where you bury that cost, that's a separate issue. I agree that ticket price is set on what the market will bear. But you can bury that cost in real estate, golf courses, cheeseburgers and other operations.

- Now, back to the Mount Snow bubble wrap . I've ridden it only twice. The only time I appreciated it was when the windchill made me cover my face. I rode it with one crew who left it up until the winds picked up near the top, at which time we put it down. That works for me.

- I've skied Mt. Snow, on the average, once per season for the past 20 years. I also tend to ski about 10 other areas per season. I'll never be a passholder. What I've noticed over time is that the Mt. Snow skiers and boarders have come to expect a higher level of service. I see Mt. Snow responding to that. Every ski area in New England has its own niche, it's own clientele and it's own vibe. I love that. It would be dreadful if they all were the same.

Back to the beginning now. snowlover's initial argument was that $8M (or whatever it was) seems like a lot to invest in one chair that has a bubble. I'll agree, that is a lot of money. However, Mt. Snow is a business. If they can get a reasonable return on investment (or not) that is acceptable to management, that's all that's necessary. If a place like Magic put in a bubble, the ROI would be dreadfully negative because their operation is not broad enough to support the cost. Look at the places out west that put in Funiculars and other fun modes of transport. Huge investments. Could they be served instead by chairlifts? I suppose, maybe, but those investments have worked out well. As Dr. Jeckyl (just kidding!) indicated, it becomes a customer draw.