Permanent Industry Changes in the Post-COVID World

[Fishski]

New to joining forums but have been reading them forever.

I must say the back and forth on vax/ no vax, mask/ no mask coincides with ongoing debates everywhere you turn nowadays (even within my house). This topic is such a hot button one that I decided to join to chime in. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and whether or not they should get the vaccine or not. I do believe that if you choose not to, which is your right selfish or not, at least you should be willing to thank those that have chosen to get the vaccine to help finally beat down the spread to the point that we are returning to a more "open" or normal way of life IMHO.

 

[dblskifanatic]

The Las Vegas resort and casino Wynn Las Vegas changed its rules regarding masks after the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued its new mask guidelines Thursday. On Friday, the company said in a press release that it will communicate the CDC guidelines to its Encore and Wynn guests that they are required to wear a mask if they aren’t vaccinated, but the casino will not verify vaccination status,

Wynn says vaccinated workers and guests can ditch masks in Nevada casinos

The change was made possible because the Nevada Gaming Control Board, which sets the rules for casinos, reacted quickly to update its rules.

www.cnbc.com

I brought this up the other day. Many organizations are going to allow people to not wear masks if vaccinated but they are not going to police this activity. I do not have a problem either way vaccinated or not. We are getting the vaccine not because we want it but because to see our son in AK we need it so we do not have to quarantine. Although that requirement is being dropped.

 

[dblskifanatic]

You are falling for the fake news. I know many people that just don't want the vaccine and they are not Trump supporters. Don't be so blind.

Right! If I recall a certain politician was calling the vaccines Trump Vaccines and they did not plan on using those. Yet we are! So some Trump haters do not want the vaccine because they think Trump pushed through. And the people I know are certainly not Republican, Blanket statements regarding a political party or race or religion are what divide.

 

[kancamagus]

While the rest of you guys bicker worse than the Statler and Waldorf muppets, here’s an actual update related to the thread topic. A Basin has dropped all mask requirements - indoors and outside. Lift lines, trails, the bar, tailgating on the beach, all pretty much pre-COVID normal.

I’d estimate that probably 70% of people stopped wearing masks in lift lines, and apart from the staff, no one was wearing masks in the bar.

 

[dblskifanatic]

While the rest of you guys bicker worse than the Statler and Waldorf muppets, here’s an actual update related to the thread topic. A Basin has dropped all mask requirements - indoors and outside. Lift lines, trails, the bar, tailgating on the beach, all pretty much pre-COVID normal.

I’d estimate that probably 70% of people stopped wearing masks in lift lines, and apart from the staff, no one was wearing masks in the bar.

That is because Colorado as a whole are relaxing restrictions because the numbers are so low. They plan on being at pre-covid state by July. A Basin stays tight with the state to ensure everything is by the rules. They did not go there on their own,

 

[Hawk]

The issue on forums is that people aren't giving their opinions, they are pushing them. I myself am guilty of that. In retrospect I don't like when I do that.

So I posted this on another forum that has the same exact argument going on. This is how I fell.

"My whole family is vaccinated. We are all back to normal. I have not worn a mask all week except when I enter work or a business requiring a mask. No big deal. In my opinion, the vaccine works and I have no worries and will conduct business as I see fit. I'm not going to bitch, complain or ridicule other people who wear masks, not wear mask, get shots or don't. It's really not any of my business. Maybe more people should conduct their lives like this. I think we would all be better off.

this whole thing is going to get better. I promise."

 

[boston_e]

The issue on forums is that people aren't giving their opinions, they are pushing them. I myself am guilty of that. In retrospect I don't like when I do that.

So I posted this on another forum that has the same exact argument going on. This is how I fell.

"My whole family is vaccinated. We are all back to normal. I have not worn a mask all week except when I enter work or a business requiring a mask. No big deal. In my opinion, the vaccine works and I have no worries and will conduct business as I see fit. I'm not going to bitch, complain or ridicule other people who wear masks, not wear mask, get shots or don't. It's really not any of my business. Maybe more people should conduct their lives like this. I think we would all be better off.

this whole thing is going to get better. I promise."

Except it is all of our business in that a part of the overall effectiveness of vaccines to society is based on herd immunity. There is also a very small percentage of people who have legitimate reasons that they cannot take a vaccine and they need to depend on others to get it to reduce the spread of diseases (others included not just Covid). It is completely irresponsible to not get your vaccines.

 

[boston_e]

And who knows how effective the vaccines with be against variants sure to make the rounds among the anti-masker anti-vaxxers. It's hard to believe this is the same country that wiped out polio, smallpox and measles.

Except we still see occasional measles outbreaks because morons don’t vaccinate their kids.

 

[boston_e]

In the mean time, the virus will mutate and change. People will continue to get sick or get well (or die). It's a uncertainty we'll have to live with.

if the virus can’t spread it can’t mutate... another reason it can affect all of us if some idiot chooses to not get vaccinated because of how they “feel” about it.

 

[Harvey]

It's really not any of my business.

This feels good, but it's overly simplistic. A vaccine is not like a seat belt. It's not just the person who opts out who gets their head cracked.

Look I know you'd never get away with restricting the unvaccinated or creating ID. Not in America. We're going to have to hope a high percentage of people get vaxxed and that it's enough to beat it. I don't see any other choice.

I bet there is a huge population that are taking bigger risks with alcohol, but sitting out the vax for safety reasons.

 

[drjeff]

Let's put this in skiiing/riding perspective terms here.

Pretty sure we all consider skiing/riding here as AZ regulars to be a safe sport.

Historically nationwide in the US there are roughly 50 deaths a year from skiing/riding.

Does that cause the same uproar as the relatively speaking proportionately smaller negative vaccination side effects we're seeing?

Sure it's a personal choice. The data though for getting vaccinated in strong

 

[Edd]

Regarding the ski industry, Gunstock this week has made masks optional for employees and guests who are vaccinated. I dearly want my employer to do the same.

 

[thebigo]

Regarding the ski industry, Gunstock this week has made masks optional for employees and guests who are vaccinated. I dearly want my employer to do the same.

The guys on the floor, at my organization, were informed that OSHA is the holdup with respect to mask policy. Apparently, the organization will not change policy until OSHA changes guidance.

 

[thebigo]

The issue on forums is that people aren't giving their opinions, they are pushing them.

Agree and never understood it. One would assume that if an individual's goal is to persuade others on political topics, they could easily find a larger audience than a northeast ski forum in May. I often wonder if those attempting to persuade others, are actually attempting to persuade themselves.

 

[dblskifanatic]

From CDC site

Although COVID-19 vaccines are effective at keeping you from getting sick, scientists are still learning how well vaccines prevent you from spreading the virus that causes COVID-19 to others, even if you do not have symptoms. Early data show that vaccines help keep people with no symptoms from spreading COVID-19, but we are learning more as more people get vaccinated.

We’re also still learning how long COVID-19 vaccines protect people.

For these reasons, people who have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 should keep taking precautions until we know more, like wearing a mask in indoor public places, avoiding large indoor gatherings, and washing your hands often. Vaccinated people do not need to wear masks outside except in crowds.

So the vaccine does not mean that you will not get covid, It teaches the immune system how to fight the virus. To me that might be the perfect breeding ground for a virus to mutate, since it can travel quietly. Also they are not aware of how long the vaccine will be effective - it that the perfect storm for another outbreak? Weill be have to be vaccinated for the remainder of our lives every 6-8 months which is what they are predicting. Based on what the CDC posted on their site this all sounds like a big ass science experiment.

 

[drjeff]

From CDC site


So the vaccine does not mean that you will not get covid, It teaches the immune system how to fight the virus. To me that might be the perfect breeding ground for a virus to mutate, since it can travel quietly. Also they are not aware of how long the vaccine will be effective - it that the perfect storm for another outbreak? Weill be have to be vaccinated for the remainder of our lives every 6-8 months which is what they are predicting. Based on what the CDC posted on their site this all sounds like a big ass science experiment.

Honestly, the efficacy duration topic has way more to do with the simple fact that vaccine testing began roughly 9 months ago, and the data their looking at, while thus far showing that the antibodies are remaining present, and in good quantities, can be concretely reported that they remain for the timeframe they (The CDC) are currently reporting. Only time will tell how long the antibodies are present and if/when some type of a booster shot may be needed.

Until they (The CDC) starts changing their reporting to we WILL need a booster every such and such a duration from the current we MAY need a booster, then it sure seems like it's more of statement to avoid potential future legal actions than it is a statement based in actually immunological science

 

[Former Sunday Rivah Rat]

Except it is all of our business in that a part of the overall effectiveness of vaccines to society is based on herd immunity. There is also a very small percentage of people who have legitimate reasons that they cannot take a vaccine and they need to depend on others to get it to reduce the spread of diseases (others included not just Covid). It is completely irresponsible to not get your vaccines.

Moron, take your EXPERIMENTAL "vaccine" and STFU.

 

[kbroderick]

... Based on what the CDC posted on their site this all sounds like a big ass science experiment.

Yup. And you're participating whether you want to or not; your choice in the matter is between the control group (unvaccinated) and the vaccine-test group. Unfortunately, too many people choosing the control group seems likely to prolong this particular experiment, as it will create more opportunities for viral mutation and thus further experimenting with respect to vaccine efficacy, herd immunity, and survivability (among other factors).

 

[Hawk]

Harvey, Yup I realize that I simplified my reaction. It is basically how I feel nowadays. I can only take care of what I can control and that means me and maybe my Wife sometimes and possibly my kids if I had some. But I have come to the decision that the irrational has become the norm. No one is going to tell anybody anything and convince them. Things I thought to be foundation principles are now being questioned and the analysis I see is confounding. Nope society has been corrupted by social media, questionable public figures and all kinds of news sources that lost their true barometer for facts and things will never be the same. Just an endless steam of regurgitated bull shit. So I am going to go on with it and live my life. Focus on the good times like skiing biking music and food and phase out the rest the best I can.

Certainly not going to change it all here that's for sure.

 

[dblskifanatic]

if the virus can’t spread it can’t mutate... another reason it can affect all of us if some idiot chooses to not get vaccinated because of how they “feel” about it.

But the Vaccine does not prevent you from getting Covid it reduces the symptoms. Why can it not mutate. It is now facing immune systems that are not as effected by it so it will need to mutate.