Permanent Industry Changes in the Post-COVID World

[KustyTheKlown]

if there was a verifiable way to demonstrate a recent record of adequate antibodies from recovery from infection, that would be fine with me. being that there is no current mechanism to easily screen for this, the vaccine passport is the best option we have. but your example, and andrew's, are the exceptions to the most common scenario, that of a huge fucking selfish asshole just being a huge fucking selfish asshole

 

[Andrew B.]

That’s a bit selfish of you, isn’t it? To exclude people who had a different view from yours.

I’d be a little bit more concerned about being shoulder to shoulder with mask less unvaccinated people who are shouting and hollering though.

Pretty sure we know who the real selfish people are. Those that actually think vaccinating everyone in the US somehow results in us having a single line this year.
We will never be “back to normal” until the world is 85% vax’d or they find another way to eradicate Covid and the next strain, and the next strain an so on and so on.
#pipedreamer

PS
F’ing people with a rusty dildo will also put a serious strain on our healthcare system

 

[Andrew B.]

if there was a verifiable way to demonstrate a recent record of adequate antibodies from recovery from infection, that would be fine with me. being that there is no current mechanism to easily screen for this, the vaccine passport is the best option we have. but your example, and andrew's, are the exceptions to the most common scenario, that of a huge fucking selfish asshole just being a huge fucking selfish asshole

Yeah because the vax cards are verifiable LOL

 

[KustyTheKlown]

Yeah because the vax cards are verifiable LOL

The NYS excelsior pass is. But yea, the trump administration’s CDC making the vaccination card a fucking handwritten library card that doesn’t even fit in a wallet is some real dumb shit

 

[Andrew B.]

people with legitimate medical reasons to not get vaccinated are a sliver of the unvaccinated. for the most part, they're just anti-science right wing shitheads who should get fucked with a rusty metal dildo. or left wing burning man hippie assholes who also should get the rusty dildo

What about the black And brown communities that don’t trust the vaccine?

 

[KustyTheKlown]

Rust all around.

 

[Andrew B.]

Rust all around.

The picture of joe Biden fucking a black guy with a rusty dildo will really help improve race relations in the country like shipping them off the Tuskegee did

 

[abc]

What about the black And brown communities that don’t trust the vaccine?

What about them?

If they're being so stupid to not understand the science yet suspicious of the government, they deserve to be excluded from all things "normal"!

We will never be “back to normal” until the world is 85% vax’d or they find another way to eradicate Covid and the next strain, and the next strain an so on and so on.

I disagree. We should be "back to normal" and let the unvaccinated take the consequence of their choice!

Any private business should be free to decide to require vaccination, or not. I will vote with my wallet as to whether to patronize venues that are open to the unvaccinated.

 

[KustyTheKlown]

^i agree with you, but your post doesn't square with your post on the last page from an hour ago telling me I am selfish for expressing that exact position you just expressed.

 

[abc]

^i agree with you, but your post doesn't square with your post on the last page from an hour ago telling me I am selfish for expressing that exact position you just expressed.

The only difference is, I think some business will choose to allow unvaccinated to attend. After all, some business owners themselves are vaccine skeptics. They should have their freedom to open their business to all, vaccinated or otherwise.

I may even attend those event that allows unvaccinated. It depends on the setting (indoor/outdoor, density of crowds etc.). I just don't like the idea/sentiment that excluding unvaccinated people from "fun stuff" as a form of punishment.

Unvaccinated people getting sick from Covid is now largely their own business. Hospitals are no longer being overwhelmed thanks to the vast number of people who chose to get vaccinated. It's not all that different than people who choose any unhealthy lifestyle. While I wish they don't hog up healthcare resources with the consequence of their poor choice of lifestyle, I accept it's the price of freedom. That freedom includes making bad choices, as long as it's only marginally impacting the society.

I understand your anger against the antivaxxers in slowing our return to normalcy. But your anger should be directed at those who intentionally disperse bad information. Not at those who're confused by such misinformation. They deserve some sympathy.

 

[Andrew B.]

What about them?

If they're being so stupid to not understand the science yet suspicious of the government, they deserve to be excluded from all things "normal"!


I disagree. We should be "back to normal" and let the unvaccinated take the consequence of their choice!

Any private business should be free to decide to require vaccination, or not. I will vote with my wallet as to whether to patronize venues that are open to the unvaccinated.

“It’s not just mistrust of the medical system, it’s mistrust of institutions,” Bennett said, “There’s a lot of reasons for [Black people] to mistrust institutions.” The murder of George Floyd stands as one poignant contemporary example, but “Tuskegee [still] looms large in the minds of Black Americans.” The Tuskegee experimentexploited 600 Black men working as sharecroppers who had syphilis by knowingly withholding treatment and simply seeing what happened to their bodies as a result of the disease for over 40 years.

I agree we could get “back to normal” but people need to stop treating Covid as only death sentence.stop focusing on cases

if vaccinated tourist bring a new strain into the country from other countries it doesn’t stop does it?

I basically agree that now that 70% of Americans have had at least one shot I say open up the spigots and let Darwin sort out the rest. I am merely pointing out that “fucking people with a rusty dildo” is not the answer, or should I say the American answer. Leave that to the dictatorships around the world.

 

[urungus]

Hospitals are no longer being overwhelmed thanks to the vast number of people who chose to get vaccinated.

Alabama man dies after being turned away from 43 hospitals amid COVID surge, family says

Ray DeMonia died in a Mississippi hospital three days before his birthday — about 200 miles away from home.

www.cbsnews.com

Idaho allows COVID-slammed hospitals to ration care for 1st time ever

Idaho has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the nation, and officials say a "massive increase in patients with COVID" forced the "last resort" move.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[deadheadskier]

I'm quite certain there are many hospitals around the country that would disagree with your notion that they are no longer being overwhelmed. Here in the Northeast, things are relatively under control; elsewhere where the vaccination rates are lower still very much have capacity issues.

There has been ample opportunity for the US to achieve a higher rate of vaccination. I'm in support of businesses trying to mitigate the potential danger to their patrons and staff by mandating vaccines and or negative tests. If restrictions on leisure and employment opportunities is what will get us towards herd immunity faster, I'm all for it. I feel no different about that than our local elementary school or daycare requiring MMR vaccines for the classmates of our kids.

 

[abc]

'm quite certain there are many hospitals around the country that would disagree with your notion that they are no longer being overwhelmed. Here in the Northeast, things are relatively under control; elsewhere where the vaccination rates are lower still very much have capacity issues.

They're where they are because the choices they made base on their local culture, their government (which they elected), their population's political leaning. The federal government should let them be.

The northeast is in good shape largely because we got hit BAD initially. We took Covid a whole lot more seriously than those in the south. So many more of us got vaccinated. The reports I'm hearing from the south, there's usually a corresponding uptick in vaccination rate following a untick in case number! While it may not help those already infected, it nonetheless "drives" the vaccination! God help them. (or as Andrew B puts it "let Darwin sort out the rest")

 

[deadheadskier]

if vaccinated tourist bring a new strain into the country from other countries it doesn’t stop does it?

Has there been a variant yet that has demonstrated that the vaccine still doesn't provide better protection against than no vaccine at all? The Delta variant has proven to be highly contagious, but last I checked, you were still less likely to get it if you were vaccinated than if you were not. Perhaps that data will change overtime.

We cannot control the vaccination rates of other countries around the globe. We can reasonably do so at home. We can also ban travel from certain destinations or require quarantine upon arrival.

 

[deadheadskier]

They're where they are because the choices they made base on their local culture, their government (which they elected), their population's political leaning. The federal government should let them be.

I don't think the feds should let them be if local government and culture is making demonstrably bad choices. It's not just those sick with Covid that gets impacted. It's all of the hospital resources and patients who require care for other ailments. My folks are getting well up into their 70s and at a stage in life where their need for care is only going to go up. Heaven for bid my mother takes a fall that requires ICU care and the local beds in their Florida city are taken up by the Veronica Wolski's of the world.

 

[Andrew B.]

We cannot control the vaccination rates of other countries around the globe. We can reasonably do so at home. We can also ban travel from certain destinations or require quarantine upon arrival.

Banning/quarantining travelers from other countries because they “may” kill Americans is not “back to normal”. Unless you’re a Trump supporter.

And of course you are subjecting American travelers coming home to quarantine too.

So my premise stands, not “back to normal” anytime soon even if we reach 100% vaccination rate here in this country.

Of course the other wise crack would be that it doesn’t seem to be a policy we are ready to adopt at the southern border any time soon. what makes you think we should adopt it else where?

 

[2Planker]

The irony is, Those that hate the mask regulations the most are doing nothing to help us move forward.

Plan on more masks, more "proof of Vacc required", and more regulations overall.
Covid ain't going away. At least not in the USA

 

[deadheadskier]

Banning/quarantining travelers from other countries because they “may” kill Americans is not “back to normal”. Unless you’re a Trump supporter.

And of course you are subjecting American travelers coming home to quarantine too.

So my premise stands, not “back to normal” anytime soon even if we reach 100% vaccination rate here in this country.

Of course the other wise crack would be that it doesn’t seem to be a policy we are ready to adopt at the southern border any time soon. what makes you think we should adopt it else where?

I don't have a problem with how Canada is enforcing their international travel rules. I mean it bums me out that I can't easily hop over the border to check out some Quebec ski areas as I don't have the time to quarantine, but that's really not something I'm going to get too bent out of shape on.

I wouldn't have a problem with similar enforcement at all US borders until there is greater comfort with the strain that the virus presents to our healthcare resources.

I didn't argue with you concerning what you feel is "back to normal."

I argued that I support vaccine/testing mandates for certain leisure pursuits and employment opportunities. Unfortunately, that seems to be necessary to get to a higher level of vaccination with less hospitalizations and deaths as the benefit. Same argument as Kusty minus the rusty dildo.

 

[Andrew B.]

I don't have a problem with how Canada is enforcing their international travel rules. I mean it bums me out that I can't easily hop over the border to check out some Quebec ski areas as I don't have the time to quarantine, but that's really not something I'm going to get too bent out of shape on.

I wouldn't have a problem with similar enforcement at all US borders until there is greater comfort with the strain that the virus presents to our healthcare resources.

I didn't argue with you concerning what you feel is "back to normal."

I argued that I support vaccine/testing mandates for certain leisure pursuits and employment opportunities. Unfortunately, that seems to be necessary to get to a higher level of vaccination with less hospitalizations and deaths as the benefit. Same argument as Kusty minus the rusty dildo.

What Canada has done to their economy with these policies could be catastrophic. Time will tell. But they banned everyone including Canadians so your saying closing the borders because “some” travelers “may” harm Americans would be ok in your mind?

I would also bet the large majority of Americans aren’t concerned with zipping over to Quebec to ski lol.

I have no problem with private businesses enforcing vaccine/testing mandates. But it’s on them not the Fed’s to enforce it. People will make their choices and many free market forces will determine those businesses fate.

to my knowledge we don’t require employers to require any other vaccines?