Permanent Industry Changes in the Post-COVID World

[dblskifanatic]

Agree on both counts! (very odd to be agreeing with KTK )

Somehow the west really didn't care for "parking structures". Local opposition are always guaranteed. People, including/especially the "environmentally conscious". think it's "too urban"! But somehow, cars parked along the road for miles are ok! How ironic.

Parking in structures does feel odd to me too. No denying it.

I agree about feeling weird. Every time we skied Vail it so industrial.

 

[abc]

I'd rather walk through Vail villages than from the outer lots at Killington/Sugarbush/Bolton Valley/etc.

I don't know about SB or Bolton Valley. But with K, you get to jump on a shuttle bus on the side of the road. Not walk half a mile through the village

 

[cdskier]

I don't know about SB or Bolton Valley. But with K, you get to jump on a shuttle bus on the side of the road. Not walk half a mile through the village

SB has a Jitney shuttle on weekends/holidays going around the parking lots. Midweek I think you'd have to walk (although usually people are only parking in the closest lots mid-week anyway at SB so it isn't as much of an issue as on weekends when you could be parking further away).

 

[Harvey]

Don't you ever need to add or remove layers as the conditions/temperature changes through the day?

I do. These days I try to guess right, but I've been erring on the side of overdressing.

I carry a but bag that allows me to strip on layer and carry it. Usually that's my ultra light shell, that compresses to the size of a softball.

 

[dblskifanatic]

I do. These days I try to guess right, but I've been erring on the side of overdressing.

I carry a but bag that allows me to strip on layer and carry it. Usually that's my ultra light shell, that compresses to the size of a softball.

Same here! If it too hot, I do not mind heading to the car. Our first day at A Basin I over dressed. Around lunch I took off layers and went into the lodge for a bear and lunch. They was comfortable for the afternoon,

 

[Keelhauled]

I don't know about SB or Bolton Valley. But with K, you get to jump on a shuttle bus on the side of the road. Not walk half a mile through the village

From Vail's transportation center to the bottom of Gondi One is basically 1,000' on Google Earth, which I must concede is a little longer than I remember. On the other hand, it's about 650' from the Lionshead garage to 8/19, and the shuttle stop at Golden Peak is adjacent to chair 6. It's not a half mile walk, and it's all on concrete. Gravel eastern parking lots are a slog in comparison. I'd rather walk through Vail village than from the middle of K1's parking lot up and around the base of the gondola.

 

[Smellytele]

When its snowing I'd love to be in a parking garage. End of the day just get in the car and go, no clearing off the car or worrying about getting stuck on deep days. Always loved doing that at Jay, and sometimes Stratton if I got there early enough.

how long has the Jay one been there? Never parked in it. Have parked on top of it and this year right outside it. I used to always park state side.

 

[Smellytele]

Same here! If it too hot, I do not mind heading to the car. Our first day at A Basin I over dressed. Around lunch I took off layers and went into the lodge for a bear and lunch. They was comfortable for the afternoon,

was it this bear?

 

[thetrailboss]

environmental/forest service concerns are a thing too i think. vaguely recall reading about big enviro/save our canyons opposition to alta/bird building a parking structure. @thetrailboss can probably speak to it. imo, a lot better for many reasons to consolidate cars into a structure than have them lining the canyon road for a mile. that being said, i don't really like using a garage where there is no NEED for it. whenever I've parked indoors at Stratton it just feels weird to me. more like going to the mall than skiing.

Save Our Canyons is opposed to pretty much ANYTHING being built. Period. They are opposed to the LCC upgrades (or gondola proposal). I used to think that their position was completely unreasonable but based upon Alta/Snowbird being hogs with IKON I now understand why they take that position.

There was an article in the SL Trib yesterday as to Alta's recent "hissy fit" over parking. To those that don't know, Alta's long-time manager retired in 2018 and the CFO/Accountant took over. They literally blamed local homeowners and BC skiers for hurting Alta's finances because "up to 200" of Alta's parking lots are "probably" used by the homeowners or BC skiers. So Mr. Accountant GM must have calculated how much he thinks he is losing everyday when, in reality, their revenue is probably lower due to sucking the IKON teat instead of selling their own day tickets. The article, mysteriously, made absolutely NO mention of IKON.

I think it is pretty disgusting that the "Once Locals Only Alta" has sold out so hard that they are now fighting with the town, their loyal following, and their own neighbors on this issue. I nominate them for SAM'S worst PR move of the year.

 

[NYDB]

Omg....this guy and his IKON hate boner.

 

[1dog]

Save Our Canyons is opposed to pretty much ANYTHING being built. Period. They are opposed to the LCC upgrades (or gondola proposal). I used to think that their position was completely unreasonable but based upon Alta/Snowbird being hogs with IKON I now understand why they take that position.

There was an article in the SL Trib yesterday as to Alta's recent "hissy fit" over parking. To those that don't know, Alta's long-time manager retired in 2018 and the CFO/Accountant took over. They literally blamed local homeowners and BC skiers for hurting Alta's finances because "up to 200" of Alta's parking lots are "probably" used by the homeowners or BC skiers. So Mr. Accountant GM must have calculated how much he thinks he is losing everyday when, in reality, their revenue is probably lower due to sucking the IKON teat instead of selling their own day tickets. The article, mysteriously, made absolutely NO mention of IKON.

I think it is pretty disgusting that the "Once Locals Only Alta" has sold out so hard that they are now fighting with the town, their loyal following, and their own neighbors on this issue. I nominate them for SAM'S worst PR move of the year.

Well, we won't see MRG ever sell out- as long as the owner/operators fill the chairs and keep the place at least breaking even, it will remain what Alta used to be.
Lots of major differences, location 30 miles from major metro area/45 mins from international airport, 400+ " of snow annually, etc.

A-Basin reversed its decision on Epic. So there's hope. Skied it since '92, and as soon as they put in the HSQ, most of us knew it was never going to be the same.

Now, Powder. is being affected as Park West was 25 years ago. Seems sport growth is more consolidation than new ski area growth. And, we have NIMBY once we have our place. Thats human nature. Ex: Try waterfront anywhere from central Maine down East Coast. No place for locals. . . unless you're a former President, or started Netflix. .

 

[KustyTheKlown]

here is the article - https://www.sltrib.com/news/environment/2021/03/15/alta-parking-is-mess-are/

its behind a paywall you can beat by opening in a private browser and stopping the loading of the page before the cookies get ya

 

[raisingarizona]

Sounds like you're in touring boots, not downhill boots.

If so, you don't have the experience to talk about walking in downhill boots.


What "other" joints? Elbow?

Perhaps you should try some boots that are more suited for skiing than walking?

I’ve never owned touring boots or had a boot with a “walking” mode.

 

[raisingarizona]

You're doing it wrong then. Casually skiing a groomed run requires almost no added effort versus just standing in place and certainly no added impact to my knees.

Again, complete and total BS. If you are doing it right you know how to bend a ski which takes a whole lot more then standing in place. One single turn might not seem like that much effort but getting into 20k of hot laps on groomers and you are all of a sudden doing a lot of exercise. If of course, you are bending the crap out of them skis.

I’ve got like two more posts in me for this forum and I’m out. Arguing with Jerry’s is only fun for so long.

 

[raisingarizona]

Woah

We got a real bad ass in our presence.

Everyone harden the F up and be more like skiing Ivan Drago here

You’re god damn right Sally, now buckle up because I’ve got a lot more hard to swallow reality pills for ya if you wanna go there.

 

[raisingarizona]

I’ve never owned touring boots or had a boot with a “walking” mode.

Sounds like you're in touring boots, not downhill boots.

If so, you don't have the experience to talk about walking in downhill boots.


What "other" joints? Elbow?

Perhaps you should try some boots that are more suited for skiing than walking?

Other joints? If you get after it it’s hard on your hips, spine, neck and even ankles. Ever hear of skiers thumb? How about huck neck? You haven’t been skiing much if you haven’t.

 

[Tonyr]

ya, one of many reasons why vail and vail village sucks. its so common out west tho for there to be no semblance of a base lodge. or at least no giant space with pegs on the wall for bags like we are used to. kicking horse and revelstoke come to mind immediately and there are lots more. snowbird has facilities but it isn't really a lodge. i think there's a locker room on the first floor of that brutalist monstrosity of a structure. the fucked thing about vail tho is how far the parking and the buses are from the lifts. lots of ski boot walking there. but they couldn't possibly give you closer access - they want you to be forced to peruse the retail village and spend spend spend

That brutal structure at the base of Snowbird is built out of solid concrete to withstand avalanches which is why it looks so ugly. The hotel within is actually pretty nice, there is a locker room on the 1st floor.

 

[abc]

Other joints? If you get after it it’s hard on your hips, spine, neck and even ankles. Ever hear of skiers thumb? How about huck neck? You haven’t been skiing much if you haven’t.

Well, you "two posts" are up. Time to get lost.

 

[deadheadskier]

You’re god damn right Sally, now buckle up because I’ve got a lot more hard to swallow reality pills for ya if you wanna go there.

All ears chief

 

[raisingarizona]

All ears chief

I’m not your chief, captain!