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Me thinks you choked on those pills you're so proud of
KustyTheKlown
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i stayed in the snowbird lodge last season, last big thing I did before the end times. I never ever stay on mountain, a nice splurge with some homeys. this was right after the big interlodge snowfall
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Your girlfriend has been choking on something I’m proud of.
That's 5 posts, I thought you only had 2 left?
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The whole chief thing is incredibly offensive. I’m .063% Cherokee Indian ffs.
Chief Swinging Dick your Native name?
A-Basin jumped over to IKON. So no real improvement there.
Right. Note how there is absolutely no mention of IKON or Alterra.
Must be you renewed your pass or you are employed by Alterra. Take a look and you will see that there are many, many more people who are not happy with them. And they are much angrier than I am.
And yet by all accounts a lot of their crowding issues decreased after the move from Epic to Ikon... That was their goal and it seems to have worked. So how is that not a real improvement?
At least here in the east...I'm not so sure that's the case. Personally I'll need to wait a couple years to see how they handle things at Sugarbush post-COVID to form a full opinion, but from a mountain ops perspective I'm really having a hard time questioning anything they did this season with the challenges they were up against. Lifts operated on normal schedules. Snowmaking seems pretty close to normal from what I can tell. Grooming doesn't seem to have changed. Lift lines here were well-spaced and well-managed. I liked how they treated pass-holders by not requiring us to make reservations to ski and instead tried to limit day tickets as a method of managing capacity. They still have their usual closing date set (dependent on mother nature's cooperation of course). What about any of these things should we be angry about?
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I get your IKON hate. I do. Go read the wasatch thread over at TGR. more of the same.
But it's funny especially from a transplant. UT Population doubles from 1990 and that doesn't seem to register to you guys who whine and moan, because you are part of that problem.
Wonder if this place would be better off being a public ski resort. Seems there's definitely the demand
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Exclusive Wasatch Peaks Ranch Plans to Open for 2021-22 - Ski Area Management
SAM Magazine—Peterson, Utah, Jan. 29, 2021—A new private mountain resort development in Utah aims to open to members for skiing and riding next winter. Called Wasatch Peaks Ranch, it's located 35 minutes north from Salt Lake City, 10 miles south of Snowbasin Resort. Wasatch Peaks Ranch...
I'm with thetrailboss sometimes that I, myself, as an Ikon pass holder, openly wondered with my son whether Alta would be better off with a more exclusive business model. Maybe not quite the yellowstone club level of exclusivity. I, for one, would be happy to buy day tickets at Alta for less frenzy powder days if and when Alta quits Ikon. I interpret thetrailboss as saying that he sees demand at presumably higher season pass prices too.
On last year's big dump day, we actually drove over to the Deer Valley side the night before, and really lucked out with 7 inches of fresh and very few skiers on a lot of our powder runs. Alta got more snow, as always, but I also saw the pictures of the lift lines afterwards.
But I think in the end, terrain and snowfalls are the king in this business, Alta can screw with their loyal season pass holders all they want with dalliances with any number of mega passes, and the minute Alta ditches the mega passes, they will come back.
On last year's big dump day, we actually drove over to the Deer Valley side the night before, and really lucked out with 7 inches of fresh and very few skiers on a lot of our powder runs. Alta got more snow, as always, but I also saw the pictures of the lift lines afterwards.
But I think in the end, terrain and snowfalls are the king in this business, Alta can screw with their loyal season pass holders all they want with dalliances with any number of mega passes, and the minute Alta ditches the mega passes, they will come back.
I've been here for ten years. The issues have been over the last three. But since you stayed at a Holiday Inn I have no doubt that you are more of an expert on things out there than I am.
KustyTheKlown
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ikon seems fine to me here. fine enough for me to be a repeat customer. stratton has always been a shitshow, so i typically avoid it. sugarbush this year handled things very well. i just think that with either mega pass, you need to hedge against shitshows with things like the indy pass and magic's products, or whatever indy/off the beaten path option exists out west. if i lived in SLC i would almost certainly be powmow + ikon and i'd avoid LCC like the plague on the weekends.
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The problem with SLC is the change in Solitude.
People can't really rely on just 5 days of Bird/Alta for their season. But with "unlimited" in Solitude, they feel justified to have IKON as their "season pass". A lot of people who otherwise doesn't buy a pass are enticed to buy one. Increasing overall skier visit, especially on good condition days.
The result is traffic going to Solitude adds to the overall traffic. That's on top of the parking issue at Solitude.
To visitors from outside of Utah, they just add to the overall skier visits. How significant those numbers are? I don't have a clue. And Alterra isn't sharing that information either.
I think this maybe the beginning of the end for mega passes. We'll have a few more years of this increased crowding at low prices. Then there will be some more consolidation and significant price increase coming. Enjoy them while they last for now.
People can't really rely on just 5 days of Bird/Alta for their season. But with "unlimited" in Solitude, they feel justified to have IKON as their "season pass". A lot of people who otherwise doesn't buy a pass are enticed to buy one. Increasing overall skier visit, especially on good condition days.
The result is traffic going to Solitude adds to the overall traffic. That's on top of the parking issue at Solitude.
To visitors from outside of Utah, they just add to the overall skier visits. How significant those numbers are? I don't have a clue. And Alterra isn't sharing that information either.
I think this maybe the beginning of the end for mega passes. We'll have a few more years of this increased crowding at low prices. Then there will be some more consolidation and significant price increase coming. Enjoy them while they last for now.
That is exactly right. People are replacing their season passes with this here locally. And NYDB is correct that an increasing population added to this is making it worse.
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