Pet Peeves

[campgottagopee]

Bump skiers ARE the best skiers on the mountain. However, non-bump skiers aren't inferior, they just haven't chosen to go that direction.

Bumps shmumps

 

[BushMogulMaster]

And as a mogul advocate, BMM, you should know that you need to be tolerant of bump line poachers. We need to encourage more people to fall in love with ungroomed terrain. After my initial sigh of mild frustration, I think to myself that I might be looking on the next person to see the light.

Agreed, but that leads into the point about lack of low angle bump terrain. Steep bumps aren't the place to learn. It can be downright dangerous!

But you have a good point.

 

[Johnskiismore]

Going up on the lift with someone who is on their cell, and not talking to meet up with someone at the mountain!

 

[BushMogulMaster]

What do you do to them that makes it a bad place to be?

Have you ever been below a bump skier skiing a line really direct? It's pretty intimidating.

I always honor the downhill skier's right of way, but not until about 1 or 2 bumps above him. Those last fractions of a second must be pretty scary! Well, I know they are. I've been there. But I'm pretty aware at this point of the skiers above me in a bump field, and am quick to move out of a line if I see someone coming.

 

[dmc]

Going up on the lift with someone who is on their cell, and not talking to meet up with someone at the mountain!

So sue me for having a job that allows me to work while I snowboard...

 

[Johnskiismore]

I would think that being out on the trails you would want to leave the cell phone in the car or at home. Last thing I want is work related calls while out making turns, I get enough when I'm not!

 

[dmc]

I would think that being out on the trails you would want to leave the cell phone in the car or at home. Last thing I want is work related calls while out making turns, I get enough when I'm not!

If i don't bring the cell then I can't ski on those work days.. If there's an issue I have to stop but thats a risk i gladly take. Cause I like to ride every day if possible.

Last thing I want is to not be able to ride due to a 5 minute phone call... Sorry to annoy you - but - I'll try to be polite..

 

[ckofer]

Have you ever been below a bump skier skiing a line really direct? It's pretty intimidating.

I always honor the downhill skier's right of way, but not until about 1 or 2 bumps above him. Those last fractions of a second must be pretty scary! Well, I know they are. I've been there. But I'm pretty aware at this point of the skiers above me in a bump field, and am quick to move out of a line if I see someone coming.

Surfing rules vs skiing rules

 

[tjf67]

Bump skiers ARE the best skiers on the mountain. However, non-bump skiers aren't inferior, they just haven't chosen to go that direction.

I don't go out looking for bumps to ski. I do ski them but to say bump skiers are the best skiers on the mountain is pretty brazen. I would say bump skiers are the best at skiing bumps. The overall best skiers I don't think so.

 

[Greg]

I don't go out looking for bumps to ski. I do ski them but to say bump skiers are the best skiers on the mountain is pretty brazen. I would say bump skiers are the best at skiing bumps. The overall best skiers I don't think so.

Take a guy that rips the bumps and stick him on a pair of race skis and I would bet with a little practice he could lay down a pretty decent carve, at least to the untrained eye. Not so sure putting your average groomed trail "expert" on a bump ski in the zipper would yield the same result. You just can't fake it in the bumps. The best skiers on the mountain can ski all terrain with proficiency, including bumps. I've never seen a guy that can rip bumps struggle on the groomers or in the trees.

 

[tjf67]

Take a guy that rips the bumps and stick him on a pair of race skis and I would bet with a little practice he could lay down a pretty decent carve, at least to the untrained eye. Not so sure putting your average groomed trail "expert" on a bump ski in the zipper would yield the same result. You just can't fake it in the bumps. The best skiers on the mountain can ski all terrain with proficiency, including bumps. I've never seen a guy that can rip bumps struggle on the groomers or in the trees.

I am getting a dejavu. It goes both ways. If you take a kid that is a trained bumper and put him on a down hill course he will kill himself. As soon as he gets in a little trouble his skiis are going to pull his legs together to try that hip turn only to find you cant set an edge with your heal. Bring a downhiller into a mogul field and as soon as he gets in trouble he is going to spread his legs apart and try to set and edge.

I have never seen a decent downhiller having problems in the woods any more than a decent bumper does.
Go to steeps and see who does better. You better be able to set an edge with something other than your heal or you are going to look like a snoboarder sliding down the hill. You see bumpers do it all the time in the steeps. They wiggle there hips for a while and when they cant control there speed that turn sideways till they get back in control

 

[Greg]

Go to steeps and see who does better. You better be able to set an edge with something other than your heal or you are going to look like a snoboarder sliding down the hill. You see bumpers do it all the time in the steeps. They wiggle there hips for a while and when they cant control there speed that turn sideways till they get back in control

Bump skiers engage their turn with the front of their ski just like anyone else. You start sitting back on your tails and your done. Again, I've never seen a good bump skier struggle all that much on steep groomed terrain. Of course, steep hardpack requires a special skill that not many have. I certainly don't.

 

[tjf67]

Bump skiers engage their turn with the front of their ski just like anyone else. You start sitting back on your tails and your done. Again, I've never seen a good bump skier struggle all that much on steep groomed terrain. Of course, steep hardpack requires a special skill that not many have. I certainly don't.

And I bet you have never seen a good downhiller have trouble in the bumps. Its the same thing just different

 

[BushMogulMaster]

And I bet you have never seen a good downhiller have trouble in the bumps. Its the same thing just different

Actually... I have.

There is some component of every kind of alpine turn involved with a single mogul turn. And as Greg pointed out, it is absolutely initiated at the tip. And it's a carved turn, btw.

I think that's why I enjoy skiing with other bump skiers so much. I have yet to find terrain that my fellow bumpers can't ski and ski well. Groomers, trees, pow, cliffs, pillows, crud, hardpack, you name it. The set of skills it takes to successfully link correct mogul turns transfers directly into any other condition or place on the mountain. And we can do it on bump skis with a 66mm waist! :wink:

 

[tjf67]

Actually... I have.

There is some component of every kind of alpine turn involved with a single mogul turn. And as Greg pointed out, it is absolutely initiated at the tip. And it's a carved turn, btw.

I think that's why I enjoy skiing with other bump skiers so much. I have yet to find terrain that my fellow bumpers can't ski and ski well. Groomers, trees, pow, cliffs, pillows, crud, hardpack, you name it. The set of skills it takes to successfully link correct mogul turns transfers directly into any other condition or place on the mountain. And we can do it on bump skis with a 66mm waist! :wink:

Well I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I ski the bumps with a 98mm waist. Is there a point your trying to make?

 

[BushMogulMaster]

Well I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I ski the bumps with a 98mm waist. Is there a point your trying to make?

C'mon... I'm trying to keep it light. Notice the :wink: ?

You don't have to agree. I respect your opinion. But I'd invite you with open arms to next year's mogulskiing.net Bumpapalooza, and maybe you'll change your mind. Maybe not, too, and that's ok. But you've gotta give us a chance!

 

[tjf67]

C'mon... I'm trying to keep it light. Notice the :wink: ?

You don't have to agree. I respect your opinion. But I'd invite you with open arms to next year's mogulskiing.net Bumpapalooza, and maybe you'll change your mind. Maybe not, too, and that's ok. But you've gotta give us a chance!

My last month of they year was skiing bumps which I enjoy the heck out of. No worries here not meaning to be confrontational but what the heck else are we going to do till next novemeber

 

[SIKSKIER]

:lol:

that was quite a list.

If you read the title I was adding one more and yes,being sarcastic because of BMM's post that included this:

-Shaped carving skis (give me about three hours and I'll write a dissertation on the dumbing down of skiing due to the advent of the shaped ski... but I think I'd be writing to a very hostile audience!)

-Fat skis (anything more than an 85 waist or so)

 

[ckofer]

Here's one: ski resort web sites that don't make it clear that they just closed for the season with big thanks on the front page. A pic of a golfer doesn't convey the same message,

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

If you read the title I was adding one more and yes,being sarcastic because of BMM's post that included this:

-Shaped carving skis (give me about three hours and I'll write a dissertation on the dumbing down of skiing due to the advent of the shaped ski... but I think I'd be writing to a very hostile audience!)

-Fat skis (anything more than an 85 waist or so)

So you're into straight skinny skis...lol..