Seeded Moguls: Yea or Nay?

[hiroto]

This isn't a very good pic, but it's what our seeded bump run looked like right after they were done with it, before anyone skied it in...
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I have no idea how they actually formed them.

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Thanks bvibert. That is a very interesting picture. Now I know how they looks like when they are fresh.

 

[deadheadskier]

I give them an emphatic YEA especially on years such as this with limited natural snow fall. I find decent naturally formed bumps on man made snow extremely difficult to find. It almost never happens unless you get a good group of bumpers skiing a trail while the guns are on and the snow is piling up.

I would give anything for SR to do more seeding than just Tempest. In my dreams if I were the boss there, Vortex, Downdraft, Top Gun and White Heat would all be seeded bump trails AND SR would possess a newly invented 'sprinkler' style snow gun that would evenly top dress these bumps with fresh snow a few nights a week. Hey a guy can dream right?

 

[jack97]

This is the seeded mogul trail, upper flying goose at Sunapee. As mentioned in the mogul thread, they just seeded a couple of days before this picture was taken. Look at the bottom left, snow cat made piles in alternating patterns.

 

[Greg]

I find decent naturally formed bumps on man made snow extremely difficult to find.

Great point! I always blamed erratically spaced bumps on the non-advanced skiers, but mamade snow definitely doesn't lend itself to good bumps without some help; at least not mid season when it's set up so firm. In the spring when everything softens up, bumps are good all over.

 

[drjeff]

Some freshly "planted" ones from Mt Snow in the pic. Just waiting for a little Miracle Grow

 

[Grassi21]

Some freshly "planted" ones from Mt Snow in the pic. Just waiting for a little Miracle Grow

Those look nice. It looks like I will be able to practice some bumps Pres. Day weekend.

 

[Greg]

Some freshly "planted" ones from Mt Snow in the pic. Just waiting for a little Miracle Grow

Those look really low angle, or perhaps it's just the pic...

 

[bvibert]

Those look really low angle, or perhaps it's just the pic...

That's what I was thinking. What trail are they on?

 

[jack97]

Those look really low angle, or perhaps it's just the pic...

Based on the tree trunks at upper left and maybe upper rigth corners, it does look like low angles. I figure they seeded it on a low pitch for starters, and they should have seeded some more at other trails. Several years back, Wachusetts would seed two bump trails, one at tenth mtn and the other on a lower pitch, similar in angle to the pic.

 

[bvibert]

That's what I was thinking. What trail are they on?

Answered my own question; Middle Exhibition according to their website...

 

[Birdman829]

I guess I'm gonna have to say yea. I don't so much care if I'm skiing seeded or natural, as long as there is some sort of pattern or rhythm to them (although seeded bumps basically guarantee that.

 

[Greg]

Don't these clowns look like they're having fun:

Ski Sundown - 1/31/2007 (night)

Those bumps at Sundown, while seeded, are random enough to add some interesting variety. They're firm as hell right now and could use some natural to better mimic natural bumps, but they sure are fun. Sundown's a feeder hill and lot of intermediates are picking their way down Nor'easter (that's the point, I guess) so the lines aren't stellar, but again it's still some great practice bump terrain.

 

[JimG.]

Don't these clowns look like they're having fun:

Ski Sundown - 1/31/2007 (night)

Those bumps at Sundown, while seeded, are random enough to add some interesting variety. They're firm as hell right now and could use some natural to better mimic natural bumps, but they sure are fun. Sundown's a feeder hill and lot of intermediates are picking their way down Nor'easter (that's the point, I guess) so the lines aren't stellar, but again it's still some great practice bump terrain.

Look at B! He's gotten his feet moving!! I'm most impressed with his progress.

Looks like Marc has gotten the hang of bumps too...Marc, buy some adjustable poles and play around with shorter pole lengths. You look good, shorter poles might make you even better.

madskier6 looks pretty good too...same comment on shorter poles for him.

I've seen Pat and Greg ski before, I guess I'm jaded.

 

[from_the_NEK]

Look at B! He's gotten his feet moving!! I'm most impressed with his progress.

Looks like Marc has gotten the hang of bumps too...Marc, buy some adjustable poles and play around with shorter pole lengths. You look good, shorter poles might make you even better.

madskier6 looks pretty good too...same comment on shorter poles for him.

I've seen Pat and Greg ski before, I guess I'm jaded.

You guys are making me jealous.

Those long poles really accentuate the pole placements. They actually cause the hands to be raised high and the upper body to be pushed out of alignment. I agree with Jim's comment about shorter poles. I should really have shorter ones as well.

 

[bvibert]

Look at B! He's gotten his feet moving!! I'm most impressed with his progress.

Thanks Jim! Either I finally scared my feet into moving in the bumps by telling them if they didn't we were going to crash, or all the tips that you and others on this board have been giving are actually working. Maybe a combo of both... Seriously, it's amazing what a few minor adjustments and lots of practice can get you.

 

[Greg]

Bump!

 

[deadheadskier]

Bummer

I wish you had bumped this prior to closing the Boyne Challenge. I definitely want to know their philosophy on seeding and whether or not they plan on seeding more trails at SR than just Tempest as is usually the case.

Give me, Downdraft, Vortex, Top Gun and White Heated seeded please Boyne. Other trails on the mountain that bump, Oz, Agony and Shockwave I prefer the natural variety however. Hey it doesn't hurt to ask.

 

[ComeBackMudPuddles]

"yea" if for no other reason than they look like bumps i might actually look good skiing.

 

[wa-loaf]

THAT'S SIR DRILL SARGEANT TO YOU MAGGOT!

Drill Sargeants are NCO's you'll get your a** kicked if you call one sir. They work for a living. :-D

 

[wa-loaf]

Seeded are ok if the groomers don't screw them up. The ones Wachusett does are often spaced too far apart.