Should women ski while Pregnant

[Marc]

I know nobody gives an RA about my opinion. But it makes me way madder to see a mother smoking cigarettes near her kids, like cooped up in the car, than it would to see an (obviously) pregnant woman skiing. And i've seen the first, but not the second.
I gotta go. I think I'm ovulating!

TMI, zowi.... TMI.

 

[Skifastsailfast]

But I just don't see a women who would think the rewards of a few days on the slopes is worth the corresponding risks being a very good parent. The rate of return seems outrageously disproportionate if you ask me. If I were married and my wife expressed this desire while pregnant, I'd kick her to the curb all the while wondering why the hell I married a woman with such backwards priorities in the first place.

Gee, Marc, what a nice guy you are! Typical MCP "lock 'em in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant" response! You guys just don't get it, but I wouldn't expect you to because you're guys.

The sad part is that a lot of these same women who give up skiing (or any other recreational activity) while they're pregnant will not be able to resume activity after the kids are born because they have to change diapers and clean up baby puke while daddy goes out and bashes the bumps. I've seen it happen so many times - the women don't ski/bike/surf/paddle for a year or three or four, then can never get back into it at the same level. She has trouble getting back into shape, daddy bitches because she's carrying a few extra pounds and has stretch marks, it all goes downhill from there.

You guys don't appreciate how easy you have it. :roll: All you have to do is plant the seed then you can go out and play some more (except for the gentleman who gave up skiing while his wife was pregnant).

And as you can guess, I'm child free by choice. No way was I going to fall into that trap. This world is overpopulated anyway.

 

[ctenidae]

I don't ever want to reproduce

Whew!

Seriously, though- This, like many issues, is not one where "right" and "wrong" can be arbitrarily set. Everyone has their feelings on the subject, everyone has their opinions. That's why God (or your personal interpretation of Him/Her/It- see, that's another one of those issues) made horse races and politicians. At some point, an individual decision has to be made. I say that decision must lay with the woman. Should the father have some say in it? Sure, in a decent relationship they should, and do, if the relationship is truly a relationship. If an arbitrary law was made saying that the father gets to decide, too, then you have to figure, who carries more weight in the event of a split decision? What if the father is unidentifiable? Or uninvolved? Then who gets to join in the decision making? You? Me? A jury of your peers? Why are they right?

In the end, it comes down to the woman, She's pregnant, what she does is her choice. Not to get too close to the political edge, here, but I feel the same way about abortion. I don't agree with it, as a rule, but I'm sure as hell not going to tell someone else they can't do it.

 

[Marc]

Gee, Marc, what a nice guy you are! Typical MCP "lock 'em in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant" response! You guys just don't get it, but I wouldn't expect you to because you're guys.

The sad part is that a lot of these same women who give up skiing (or any other recreational activity) while they're pregnant will not be able to resume activity after the kids are born because they have to change diapers and clean up baby puke while daddy goes out and bashes the bumps. I've seen it happen so many times - the women don't ski/bike/surf/paddle for a year or three or four, then can never get back into it at the same level. She has trouble getting back into shape, daddy bitches because she's carrying a few extra pounds and has stretch marks, it all goes downhill from there.

You guys don't appreciate how easy you have it. :roll: All you have to do is plant the seed then you can go out and play some more (except for the gentleman who gave up skiing while his wife was pregnant).

And as you can guess, I'm child free by choice. No way was I going to fall into that trap. This world is overpopulated anyway.

I glad you have the ability to judge my entire character, personality and attitude from a few lines of font-less text.

Stereotype much?

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

Are you saying that because you don't think it's right for women to ski while pregnant that it's just wrong for everyone and they shouldn't?

And HPD, even though I sense that you're getting :angry: a bit, that certainly isn't my intention.

I'm not the least bit angry. I enjoy an intelligent debate of issues. Actually, this thread went right where I hoped it would.

 

[Skifastsailfast]

Are you saying that because you don't think it's right for women to ski while pregnant that it's just wrong for everyone and they shouldn't?

And HPD, even though I sense that you're getting :angry: a bit, that certainly isn't my intention.

Part 1 - Not at all I guess I'm exploring here on how our society looks at things.

Example:

Murder - Wrong
Abortion - Well, it depends on how you feel about it.

Shooting a dog - Wrong
Shooting a deer - Feelings

Marriage - Right
Gay marriage - Feelings

Part 2 - I'm not the least bit angry. I enjoy an intelligent debate of issues. Actually, this thread went right where I hoped it would.

I'm curious, HPD, why did you bring this up? Trying to settle a real-life argument or just guaging opinion?

 

[Skifastsailfast]

I glad you have the ability to judge my entire character, personality and attitude from a few lines of font-less text.

Stereotype much?

Actually Marc, no, it was this post by you that clinched it for me.

Can you imagine having a 120 pound un-neutered male puma/boar-hunting dog dragging you around town?

Yes... you just described the experience of all the women that ever dated me...

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

I'm curious, HPD, why did you bring this up? Trying to settle a real-life argument or just guaging opinion?

If you're axin what's the point, I guess you're right. I'll try to delete my post if you want to delete the quote on yours, go ahead. I guess it's what you feel is best. :lol:

 

[JimG.]

I glad you have the ability to judge my entire character, personality and attitude from a few lines of font-less text.

Stereotype much?

Actually Marc, no, it was this post by you that clinched it for me.

Can you imagine having a 120 pound un-neutered male puma/boar-hunting dog dragging you around town?

Yes... you just described the experience of all the women that ever dated me...

Ouch!

 

[smootharc]

Woah, there, little lady....

The sad part is that a lot of these same women who give up skiing (or any other recreational activity) while they're pregnant will not be able to resume activity after the kids are born because they have to change diapers and clean up baby puke while daddy goes out and bashes the bumps. I've seen it happen so many times - the women don't ski/bike/surf/paddle for a year or three or four, then can never get back into it at the same level. She has trouble getting back into shape, daddy bitches because she's carrying a few extra pounds and has stretch marks, it all goes downhill from there.

....we need to have a talk. I change diapers with my teeth while making breakfast for my two boys, then lick up baby puke of my infant daughter while my lazy wife hangs out and luxuriates in the life of a feeding mother as I massage lavender oil onto her feet.

Then, when the weekend rolls around, I grab my boys, after staying up until 1am to pack, and take them 5 hours each way for lessons for two days, so I don't even get to barely bash the bumps before I'm cooking them dinner, and wrangling their gear, and driving them back.

And this daddy can't bitch because my wife looks better than me and I probably have stretch marks somewhere (and 19 or 20 scars depending on how one counts) and more grey hairs.

So, what was my point here ? :dunce: I forgot. But it was a good point, I think, so I'm off to clean out the Diaper Genie.....no, do laundry, wait....shovel the walk. Oh, and all the while my wife is back doing all the activities she likes, alot of them with us.

Oh, yeah, I remember now, my point....if I lived in Utah I'd have, like, ten wives lining up to be an auxiliary wife of mine, because of my aforementioned, ultra-rare qualities. So it's an apology for your sweeping generalizations that I'd like. :lol:

 

[JimG.]

Re: Woah, there, little lady....

The sad part is that a lot of these same women who give up skiing (or any other recreational activity) while they're pregnant will not be able to resume activity after the kids are born because they have to change diapers and clean up baby puke while daddy goes out and bashes the bumps. I've seen it happen so many times - the women don't ski/bike/surf/paddle for a year or three or four, then can never get back into it at the same level. She has trouble getting back into shape, daddy bitches because she's carrying a few extra pounds and has stretch marks, it all goes downhill from there.

....we need to have a talk. I change diapers with my teeth while making breakfast for my two boys, then lick up baby puke of my infant daughter while my lazy wife hangs out and luxuriates in the life of a feeding mother as I massage lavender oil onto her feet.

Then, when the weekend rolls around, I grab my boys, after staying up until 1am to pack, and take them 5 hours each way for lessons for two days, so I don't even get to barely bash the bumps before I'm cooking them dinner, and wrangling their gear, and driving them back.

And this daddy can't bitch because my wife looks better than me and I probably have stretch marks somewhere (and 19 or 20 scars depending on how one counts) and more grey hairs.

So, what was my point here ? :dunce: I forgot. But it was a good point, I think, so I'm off to clean out the Diaper Genie.....no, do laundry, wait....shovel the walk. Oh, and all the while my wife is back doing all the activities she likes, alot of them with us.

Oh, yeah, I remember now, my point....if I lived in Utah I'd have, like, ten wives lining up to be an auxiliary wife of mine, because of my aforementioned, ultra-rare qualities. So it's an apology for your sweeping generalizations that I'd like. :lol:

Touche! Soon we'll have an all out WWF smackdown.
I'm guessing Skifastsailfast made that comment a bit tongue in cheek as a response to other generalizations. I was bothered a bit by it too, but I think she is too intelligent to really believe it.

Then again, there are alot of guys out there who behave that way.

 

[JimG.]

Are you saying that because you don't think it's right for women to ski while pregnant that it's just wrong for everyone and they shouldn't?

And HPD, even though I sense that you're getting :angry: a bit, that certainly isn't my intention.

Part 1 - Not at all I guess I'm exploring here on how our society looks at things.

Example:

Murder - Wrong
Abortion - Well, it depends on how you feel about it.

Shooting a dog - Wrong
Shooting a deer - Feelings

Marriage - Right
Gay marriage - Feelings

Part 2 - I'm not the least bit angry. I enjoy an intelligent debate of issues. Actually, this thread went right where I hoped it would.

I see, you're trying to say people who think it's a woman's choice also support abortion and gay marriage? That's a bit of a stretch.

 

[Marc]

I glad you have the ability to judge my entire character, personality and attitude from a few lines of font-less text.

Stereotype much?

Actually Marc, no, it was this post by you that clinched it for me.

Can you imagine having a 120 pound un-neutered male puma/boar-hunting dog dragging you around town?

Yes... you just described the experience of all the women that ever dated me...

Rule number 1 of Misc. Forum:

You do not talk about Misc. Forum.

Rule number 2 of Misc. Forum:

YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT MISC. FORUM.



Now, I'll forget you ever posted that and we can go on with the discussion.

 

[Skifastsailfast]

Re: Woah, there, little lady....

The sad part is that a lot of these same women who give up skiing (or any other recreational activity) while they're pregnant will not be able to resume activity after the kids are born because they have to change diapers and clean up baby puke while daddy goes out and bashes the bumps. I've seen it happen so many times - the women don't ski/bike/surf/paddle for a year or three or four, then can never get back into it at the same level. She has trouble getting back into shape, daddy bitches because she's carrying a few extra pounds and has stretch marks, it all goes downhill from there.

....we need to have a talk. I change diapers with my teeth while making breakfast for my two boys, then lick up baby puke of my infant daughter while my lazy wife hangs out and luxuriates in the life of a feeding mother as I massage lavender oil onto her feet.

Then, when the weekend rolls around, I grab my boys, after staying up until 1am to pack, and take them 5 hours each way for lessons for two days, so I don't even get to barely bash the bumps before I'm cooking them dinner, and wrangling their gear, and driving them back.

And this daddy can't bitch because my wife looks better than me and I probably have stretch marks somewhere (and 19 or 20 scars depending on how one counts) and more grey hairs.

So, what was my point here ? :dunce: I forgot. But it was a good point, I think, so I'm off to clean out the Diaper Genie.....no, do laundry, wait....shovel the walk. Oh, and all the while my wife is back doing all the activities she likes, alot of them with us.

Oh, yeah, I remember now, my point....if I lived in Utah I'd have, like, ten wives lining up to be an auxiliary wife of mine, because of my aforementioned, ultra-rare qualities. So it's an apology for your sweeping generalizations that I'd like. :lol:

Touche! Soon we'll have an all out WWF smackdown.
I'm guessing Skifastsailfast made that comment a bit tongue in cheek as a response to other generalizations. I was bothered a bit by it too, but I think she is too intelligent to really believe it.

Then again, there are alot of guys out there who behave that way.

You got it pegged, JimG. If they're gonna say no way should a pregnant woman ski, regardless of her ability, early term, and optimal ski conditions, then I'm gonna play the you want 'em locked in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant card. And yes, there are some men out there who really DO think that way. Scary.

Truth be told, I do know of women who have basically given up skiing, sailing, and other recreational activities to cart kids around to soccer practice, dance lessons, and birthday parties while their husbands are off having fun. I'm not saying all relationship dynamics turn out that way, but some do.

I think these women are getting the short end of the stick. But shoot, for all I know, these soccer moms might actually enjoy that kind of stuff. Makes me wanna hurl, but what do I know, I haven't been blessed with the joys of motherhood. :wink:

 

[Marc]

I'm curious, HPD, why did you bring this up? Trying to settle a real-life argument or just guaging opinion?

Because he said "for example" I'm guessing he brought this up to display the amounts of ambiguity behind the moral decisions of society in that some actions are considered universally immoral while others are debatable with seemingly no logic to differentiate which should be what way.


And I agree with him to a certain extent. But I gave up pointing out inequities and inconsistencies in others' thoughts as soon as I realized that not everyone realizes I'm always right before I debate them.

It would be much easier if everyone did. So everyone make a note of that.

 

[Skifastsailfast]

Rule number 1 of Misc. Forum:

You do not talk about Misc. Forum.

Rule number 2 of Misc. Forum:

YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT MISC. FORUM.



Now, I'll forget you ever posted that and we can go on with the discussion.

Sorry dude, the only rule I saw was NO POLITICS.

 

[ctenidae]

Except for the fact that we haven't disagreed, Marc, I'd have to disagree that you're always right. I've proven time and again, at least to my own satisfaction, that it is, in fact, I who is always right.

However, I do agree with you about the ambiguity of moral decisions. One of the main reasons I rail against the legislation of morality. There are some questions far to multi-faceted to be easily handled by rules and regulations.

 

[JimG.]

Re: Woah, there, little lady....

I think these women are getting the short end of the stick.

I agree; believe it or not, that sword cuts both ways...I've seen relationships where the man does all the work while the woman is off having fun. Perhaps not as common, but equally disturbing.

I didn't really know what I signed up for when my wife and I decided to start a family, but it's worked out pretty much the way I expected it to. Children are precious and deserve to have both parents' attention.

 

[ctenidae]

All together now!

I believe the children are our future...

 

[ssusca]

Re: Woah, there, little lady....

Truth be told, I do know of women who have basically given up skiing, sailing, and other recreational activities to cart kids around to soccer practice, dance lessons, and birthday parties while their husbands are off having fun. I'm not saying all relationship dynamics turn out that way, but some do.

I think these women are getting the short end of the stick. But shoot, for all I know, these soccer moms might actually enjoy that kind of stuff. Makes me wanna hurl, but what do I know, I haven't been blessed with the joys of motherhood. :wink:

Just to be on the fair side, I also know of many men who have given up things that they love to do because they are now fathers. We no longer live in the 50s where it is solely the mother's responsibility to raise the children while the father "brings home the bacon" or goes out and bashes the bumps. I agree that there are still many men out there today who have this view of relationships, however I think that this more the exception rather than the rule. I believe that there are many, many times more men who feel relationships and mairrages should be more equitable. In fact, I would go so far as to say that many men these days are the ones getting the short end of the stick.

Either way, it sounds like you've had bad experiences with the men you've chosen to spend time with in the past. Trust me, not every man out there is Archie Bunker.

Changing diapers, carting my daughter around and yes, even cleaning up baby puke are all part of the parenting experience. I actually enjoy doing these things (well not so much the baby puke part). IMO any parent who does not participate in these essential aspects of rasing a child is missing out.

Another essential aspect of being a parent is teaching your child to ski. My wife and I have already begun doing this together.