Ski technique question

[SkiDork]

Cross posted on KZone:

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Sometimes with the new BRO's I find myself "catching" the outside edge while transitioning to the new turn. Its a very bizarre sensation, which I never encountered with my big sidecut RC4's.

Not sure if I explained myself well enough but for instance, I'm turning left, then I start to turn right but the outside edge of my left ski seems to want to stay turning left and its all I can do to fight not falling over left. Happens infrequently but often enough to look into. When it happens, its sorta scary.

Any advice?

 

[Greg]

Detune the tails a bit maybe?

 

[SkiDork]

Detune the tails a bit maybe?

could be. Since I've got low self esteem, I tend to blame myself before I blame my equipment...

BTW - The BRO's have minimal sidecut.

 

[Greg]

could be. Since I've got low self esteem, I tend to blame myself before I blame my equipment...

BTW - The BRO's have minimal sidecut.

I would try detuning them a bit. Just don't take off too much material in case that's not the problem and you want to restore a sharp edge all the way down the tail. It's my understanding that old straight skis needed to be detuned so they would release. Since the BROs are pretty straight, maybe they need to be detuned as well. Are your tips hanging up at all too?

 

[wa-loaf]

Which part is catching? Tip or tail? You should detune them a little and see if it helps. Also since there is less side cut you may need to put a little more pressure on the tips to drive them into the turn.

 

[wa-loaf]

It's my understanding that old straight skis needed to be detuned so they would release.

All skis need to be de-tuned some.

 

[Greg]

All skis need to be de-tuned some.

I'm going to detune my Legends for this weekend. It's not something I ever considered before, but if definitely makes a difference based on my style of skiing, i.e. sloppy. :lol:

 

[SkiDork]

Which part is catching? Tip or tail? You should detune them a little and see if it helps. Also since there is less side cut you may need to put a little more pressure on the tips to drive them into the turn.

This is probably the cause - me being in the backseat.

 

[ed-drum]

Are you wearing a helmUt?:grin:

 

[SkiDork]

Are you wearing a helmUt?:grin:

yes

 

[ed-drum]

Helmets are good if one catches an edge. Run a stone lightly down the edges 6" from the ends (tip and tail) and see if that helps. If it doesn't, try standing up straighter.

 

[SkiDork]

Helmets are good if one catches an edge. Run a stone lightly down the edges 6" from the ends (tip and tail) and see if that helps. If it doesn't, try standing up straighter.

thanks ed!

 

[wa-loaf]

I'm going to detune my Legends for this weekend. It's not something I ever considered before, but if definitely makes a difference based on my style of skiing, i.e. sloppy. :lol:

Unless you feel you are catching your edges too much, don't bother. It should have been done by the shop last time they were tuned.

 

[bigbog]

...a guess...

This is probably the cause - me being in the backseat.

I think "being in the backseat" may be a little tough on yourself SkiDork....but @5'8" = shorter than average tibia/leverage...I wanna be anything but passive & late with any degree of tongue pressure and edge change during a transition. With a wide ski comes a LOT of distance for edge change...no matter how you cut it, more leg movement IS needed for smooth edge engagement..as early as possible. *Am guessing that a more constant COM(height) with greater leg unweighting movment should be happenning...y/n..
Think some of the other guys & women online here can verify with more authority.. **How about having a bootfitter take a look at your setup in that left boot...sounds like IF you're tipping correctly...the boot ain't feelin' it...till it's too late.
carving-hacker_STeveD's $.01...

 

[SkiDork]

thanks bob - makes a lot of sense.

 

[tree_skier]

forget the detuning, it may feel a little better but it isn't the cause. As you stated being in the backseat or misplaced center of gravity is the primary culprit. if you are going to be around Snow the begiining of next season look me up and I will be glad to help.

 

[riverc0il]

forget the detuning, it may feel a little better but it isn't the cause. As you stated being in the backseat or misplaced center of gravity is the primary culprit.

That seems like sound reasoning. I can't even imagine this type of catch happening. Its not that the skis are not releasing... but rather the skis are not "being" released. That won't happen if you get your ass in front of your rear binding.

 

[awf170]

Same thing happen to me on my first few days on my BROs. I realized that I was just being too aggressive and trying to turn them like a slamon ski, which they of course are not. Now I lay off the forward pressure a bit, stayed more centered, and smear the end of the turn instead of trying to rail it and they ski way better.

 

[Trekchick]

The tough thing with Bros is that they rail so nicely that you forget you're not on a GS Ski.

I have mine mounted slightly forward and tuned 1/2 with detuned tip/tail.

The only thing I have had any question about is the binding mount on mine because I have dukes and the 0 delta it can be easy to get in the back seat.

I thought about selling my Bros after acquiring some Kikus but there are some things I just love to do with them.

 

[sLoPeS]

skidork-

i think u just need to ski them some more. it took me a solid week+ to really dial them in. i have my 183s mounted just forward of the line with a 1/2 tune. the edges are super sharp and i do not detune at all (just diamond stone and gummi). the skis are very unique. u really have to be on top of them at all times. if u get lazy or backseat it, they let u know whos boss and running the show. give them another week, try making lots of different turns, dial them in and love them.