Snowmaking Pipe Bursts at Beech, Freezing Person to Lift

[Not Sure]

Banning them from skiing there seems rather bizarre.

Maybe they were morbidly obese?

 

[kbroderick]

Supposed to have a backup communication device per code in the event the hard line fails on the lift. Usually there is at least one radio at top and bottom.

Is that a general (ANSI) standard or state-specific?

I'm only tangentially familiar with lift ops, but my experience has been similar to what was noted earlier—supervisors generally having radios and most lift operators relying on the lift phones, with the exception of lifts that don't have phones at all (in which case the radio is the primary and only communication method).

FWIW, of the five ski areas where I know for sure, two don't have dedicated base/dispatch positions. One is small enough (two pomas, generally no more than six employees at a time) that it wouldn't make a lot of sense, the other is a little bigger (mid-sized area) that usually had a patrol base radio operator for weekends but not weekdays. If I had to deal with an emergency spanning other departments, I'd have been trying to raise the Ops Manager or Assistant Manger on the radio, but if they weren't available, I'd be punting pretty quick.

 

[JimG.]

Banning them from skiing there seems rather bizarre.

I recall hearing other folks who sued Hunter and won were also forbidden to return. Not sure if that would be Vail's policy though.

 

[thetrailboss]

If you watch the full video - at 3:01 - the personal is literally hanging off the chair about to fall and the idiot ski patroller is just doing absolutely nothing. Even worse, then he walks down the hill away from the person in most danger. Completely incompetent.

Agreed.

 

[Newpylong]

Is that a general (ANSI) standard or state-specific?

I'm only tangentially familiar with lift ops, but my experience has been similar to what was noted earlier—supervisors generally having radios and most lift operators relying on the lift phones, with the exception of lifts that don't have phones at all (in which case the radio is the primary and only communication method).

FWIW, of the five ski areas where I know for sure, two don't have dedicated base/dispatch positions. One is small enough (two pomas, generally no more than six employees at a time) that it wouldn't make a lot of sense, the other is a little bigger (mid-sized area) that usually had a patrol base radio operator for weekends but not weekdays. If I had to deal with an emergency spanning other departments, I'd have been trying to raise the Ops Manager or Assistant Manger on the radio, but if they weren't available, I'd be punting pretty quick.

Not sure, generally when a Tramway inspector tells you to do something you don't ask for statutory authority

When you say a lift that does not have a phone do you mean to the outside world or the comm line phone? The former is very common not to have, but the latter is an ANSI requirement to have.

 

[zoomzoom]

top-to-bottom comm with an independent power supply shall be functioning during ops { B77.1 section 4.1.1.7.}.

 

[IceEidolon]

Half a decade ago, I just had the alarm ringer and the sound powered phones at Canaan - despite having the repeater equipment for the whole mountain housed in the top shack! The base of the lift did have a radio handset.

 

[kbroderick]

Not sure, generally when a Tramway inspector tells you to do something you don't ask for statutory authority

When you say a lift that does not have a phone do you mean to the outside world or the comm line phone? The former is very common not to have, but the latter is an ANSI requirement to have.

I'm an IT guy, so I was thinking of a resort phone, not a top/bottom intercom.

 

[Newpylong]

Yeah, there are many many lifts without a hard line to the outside world.

 

[KustyTheKlown]

front page coverage on weather.com lol

BUT WHAT A BEAUTIFUL FRONT PAGE IT IS!

 

[drjeff]

With skiing putting people into hazardous conditions it’s time people realize drinking alcohol while skiing s a dumb selfish idea, hearing about someone bragging about buying drinks for people at a bar at a ski resort is just plain negligent and should be shunned (at least I know what ski areas to avoid ie Plattekill) , who knows how many people in that video were drinking and not able to respond and help others, my perspective is from an instructor/race coach point of view, nothing makes it harder to control oneself then alcohol, I imagine I will catch crap from big time drinkers but this is serious stuff, altitudes make the effects worse

Ski boots are off for the day prior to any Apres Ski cocktails I may choose to enjoy with friends that day. That's been my thing for many years now, but definitely wasn't the case over my entire skiing career. Just had an incident about 10 years ago where I had had probably 1 more on the mountain than I should of had, late day some sketchy, scraped off snow and flat light, and a kid cut infront of me, and I almost wasn't able to avoid them. After that I just decided that for me, a couple of beers and then skiing wasn't a good idea for me. I have multiple friends who I regularly ski with that do drink and consume other items before they're done for the day, and I am fine with their choices as well

Agree that now maybe more than ever with many slopes quite crowded as well as some people on those slopes possibly having had a cocktail or some other substance in them, the potential added risk that I may be bringing upon myself if I choose to have a drink and then continue with more runs out on the hill, just isn't worth it to me.

People though are free to decide what they want to do, also means that they should be willing to accept the blame *if* something happens after they've had a drink or something else and hit the hill.

 

[cdskier]

With skiing putting people into hazardous conditions it’s time people realize drinking alcohol while skiing s a dumb selfish idea, hearing about someone bragging about buying drinks for people at a bar at a ski resort is just plain negligent and should be shunned (at least I know what ski areas to avoid ie Plattekill) , who knows how many people in that video were drinking and not able to respond and help others, my perspective is from an instructor/race coach point of view, nothing makes it harder to control oneself then alcohol, I imagine I will catch crap from big time drinkers but this is serious stuff, altitudes make the effects worse

What did I miss in this thread? I can't find any reference to someone bragging about buying drinks for people at a bar (or reference to Plattekill). I've been to Platty numerous times and never had a problem with anyone drinking there.

I agree with not drinking while skiing for the most part (although I see nothing wrong with a single drink with lunch for people that want to do that...as I do once in a while with a hot chocolate with something like peppermint schnapps in it). And honestly in all my time skiing really can't say I've seen people drinking excessively that made it back out on the slopes. From my experience it seems most people do the majority of their drinking once they're done skiing for the day (at least at the ski areas I frequent...which admittedly are not exactly known as party locations...so other ski areas certainly could differ).

 

[Smellytele]

What did I miss in this thread? I can't find any reference to someone bragging about buying drinks for people at a bar (or reference to Plattekill). I've been to Platty numerous times and never had a problem with anyone drinking there.

I agree with not drinking while skiing for the most part (although I see nothing wrong with a single drink with lunch for people that want to do that...as I do once in a while with a hot chocolate with something like peppermint schnapps in it). And honestly in all my time skiing really can't say I've seen people drinking excessively that made it back out on the slopes. From my experience it seems most people do the majority of their drinking once they're done skiing for the day (at least at the ski areas I frequent...which admittedly are not exactly known as party locations...so other ski areas certainly could differ).

Night skiing places have the issue more often.

 

[KustyTheKlown]

on a nice spring day of slush skiing i will crush multiple beers throughout the day while skiing

in the middle of winter when I'm skiing technical shit its more like 0-2 throughout the entire 8-3 ski day. usually a breakfast beer while waiting for first chair.

generally only drink beer while skiing when with friends, and more often than not ski alone.

 

[djd66]

How did this thread go from Snowmaking Pipe Burst to a discussion of drinking while skiing? Maybe XTSki had a few too many beers this morning?

 

[drjeff]

How did this thread go from Snowmaking Pipe Burst to a discussion of drinking while skiing? Maybe XTSki had a few too many beers this morning?

Tough snow year. And in the big scheme of AZ thread hijack's, this one doesn't even crack the top 25... yet atleast!

 

[Not Sure]

I don’t always intentionally ski when I drink to much but when I do ….No ulterior motive post ?

 

[cdskier]

How did this thread go from Snowmaking Pipe Burst to a discussion of drinking while skiing? Maybe XTSki had a few too many beers this morning?

Same question I asked...thought I just missed something that was said earlier in the thread to trigger that comment. Glad to see it isn't just me that couldn't figure it out!

 

[Smellytele]

A single drink at alt
a single drink wasn’t mentioned, apparently it was another thread where Harvey bragged about paying for beers at lunch at a ski resort, so if someone was there for their one drink he just doubled it and the people skiing on that mountain had to deal with people getting free drinks, what kind of an idiot gets free alcohol to people skiing? An alcoholic who needs others to drink with him? And Harvey used OTHER PEOPLES MONEY to try and make himself look better while making it more dangerous on that hill (Plattekill) I never heard of free beer at lunch at a ski resort it’s a recipe for accidents

Sounds like we have a reformed drinker on our hands.

 

[skiur]

A single drink at alt
a single drink wasn’t mentioned, apparently it was another thread where Harvey bragged about paying for beers at lunch at a ski resort, so if someone was there for their one drink he just doubled it and the people skiing on that mountain had to deal with people getting free drinks, what kind of an idiot gets free alcohol to people skiing? An alcoholic who needs others to drink with him? And Harvey used OTHER PEOPLES MONEY to try and make himself look better while making it more dangerous on that hill (Plattekill) I never heard of free beer at lunch at a ski resort it’s a recipe for accidents

When you talk about Harvey all I hear is "bla bla bla....I hate Harvey.. bla bla bla ...I hate Harvey.....bla bla bla."