Steepness of runs

[loafer89]

For curiosity, I scanned in a quarterly earnings report for Killington from October 25th, 1992:

 

[kingslug]

So whats there latest report?

 

[knuckledragger]

I was wondering about Hell Brook my favorite backcountry Stowe run. I also agree with dmc there was nothing at all like the headwall at Tucks.

 

[Powdr]

I did this same excersize with a GIS program and Google Earth on Barking Bear:

For East:
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=29735&highlight=slope+angles

And for West:
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=30361&highlight=slope+angles

Powdr

 

[ALLSKIING]

For curiosity, I scanned in a quarterly earnings report for Killington from October 25th, 1992:

Ummm....Why do you have that?

 

[awf170]

Here is powdr's degrees for Tucks.

Tuckerman Ravine Routes:
1 - 38.7 degrees
2 - 44.0 degrees
3 - 44.6 degrees
4 - 48.1 degrees
5 - 48.3 degrees
6 - 46.8 degrees
7 - 43.5 degrees
8 - 42.8 degrees
9 - 31.4 degrees
10- 30.3 degrees


Powdr

And this is for 500 ft! So for the steepest section you can probably add 5-10 degrees on each run depending on the year! So how much steeper the stuff on Mt. Washington is then anything inbounds in the east.

 

[riverc0il]

left gully (1) is pretty mellow below the pinch too, so that number is a lot higher up top.

 

[AdironRider]

Ill second that. The top lip of left gully this year was gnarly.

 

[loafer89]

Ummm....Why do you have that?

I was an S.K.I stockholder for 6 years from 1990 to 1996 when they sold out to Les Otten.

 

[JimG.]

Here is powdr's degrees for Tucks.

And this is for 500 ft! So for the steepest section you can probably add 5-10 degrees on each run depending on the year! So how much steeper the stuff on Mt. Washington is then anything inbounds in the east.

Once again, all of these numbers are subject to change depending on snowfall and wind loading. In low snow years, these areas can be noticeably steeper.

 

[Powdr]

A few notes here:

1) the 500' selected were the steepest found on each run. In most cases, I moved the measuring tool around several times until I found the steepest section. If you measure longer than 500', you get slope averaging, which lowers the value.

2) All measurements (East & West) were made with slopes that had NO SNOW ON THEM. This is the only way to objectively measure slope angles. As mentioned above, wind & snowmaking can change values on short runs quite a bit. In general, however, snow *tends* to lessen slopes, as it piles up at the bottom more so than the top (corniced slopes, excepted).

Powdr

 

[skiNEwhere]

I am suprised no one had brought up the trail Ripcord from Mount Snow. They claim that trail to have a 37 degree angle. I have personally skiied it, and it definitely feels steeper than white heat and outer limits.

 

[Geoff]

I am suprised no one had brought up the trail Ripcord from Mount Snow. They claim that trail to have a 37 degree angle. I have personally skiied it, and it definitely feels steeper than white heat and outer limits.

Ripcord is probably too short to be measured accurately using the topo map method. I'd believe 30 degrees, not 37.

Part of what is being pointed out here is that Outer Limits and White Heat aren't particularly steep. What they do have is sustained vertical. Ripcord, or something like Vertigo at Killington, can be negotiated by an intermediate with 2 or 3 skid turns.

A lot of the stupid steep marketing numbers are using percent grade (rise over run) which gives you a much bigger number.

 

[lloyd braun]

Just to compare:

Snowmass:
Steepest run:Gowdy's and AMF - slope angle of 40 degrees 1000ft

Aspen Highlands:
Steepest run: Go-Go Gully, Highland Bowl (description on Highlands' Extreme Guide) - slope angle of 48 degrees 1500ft

Aspen Mountain:
Steepest run: Elevator Shaft section of the Silver Queen run - slope angle of 42 degrees
750 ft

 

[lloyd braun]

this is supposed to be 40 degrees

the same as my pic of AMF above

 

[Marc]

Ripcord is probably too short to be measured accurately using the topo map method. I'd believe 30 degrees, not 37.

Part of what is being pointed out here is that Outer Limits and White Heat aren't particularly steep. What they do have is sustained vertical. Ripcord, or something like Vertigo at Killington, can be negotiated by an intermediate with 2 or 3 skid turns.

A lot of the stupid steep marketing numbers are using percent grade (rise over run) which gives you a much bigger number.

I've only seen Ripcord with VW sized bumps or VW sized frozen bumps.

 

[ctenidae]

Hard to judge angle from pictures- if that post on the right at the end of the long sun ray is veritcal, then that's got Ski Denton beat by a long shot.

 

[Greg]

this is supposed to be 40 degrees

the same as my pic of AMF above

Check the first post of this thread. Austin calculated the steepest part of White Nitro to be 28 degrees for 400 feet of vertical.

 

[Newpylong]

Don't know if I would bring skates or skis for that picture....

 

[roark]

Ripcord is probably too short to be measured accurately using the topo map method. I'd believe 30 degrees, not 37.
...
Ripcord, or something like Vertigo at Killington, can be negotiated by an intermediate with 2 or 3 skid turns.

I've only seen Ripcord with VW sized bumps or VW sized frozen bumps.

Hit bump at the top, fly for awhile, hit bump in the middle, fly some more, done. Ergo, 2-3 "turns" :lol:

I had the same thought Mark, maybe not VW sized but certainly not a trail anyone can do in 2-3 turns...