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Sweet. I won't get there til Jan. but I plan on getting there a bunch this season.
 

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Yup..it's been feeling and looking like winter around here for awhile now even sans snowmaking. Do love the loud hissing sounds those massive compressors make this time of year.

Hey SRO--

Where did SB move those compressors to? They used to be at the storage/maintenance area up near the groomer garage. Did they move them down below the parking lots? Do they still rent air compressors?
 

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Hey SRO--

Where did SB move those compressors to? They used to be at the storage/maintenance area up near the groomer garage. Did they move them down below the parking lots? Do they still rent air compressors?

I really don't pay that much attention to that stuff. Both Ski and Sail and I have been very busy in our own dept as well as helping others the past couple of months. I think the next time your in the shop in GH you won't recognize the place.

All I know is it's loud enough in the LP plaza that's it's hard to have a conversation with someone and we love it. Below the parking lot at LP is where our main compressor facility is. BMM or Win could probably easily answer your questions or I suggest posting these questions over at SkiMRV.

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Just got back. Natural snow coervage about 3 inches. About an inch until 3000 ft, then a solid 3...with one area approaching 5 inches up by the tower, above the lift at south, and that was errant snow gun deposits. Never really skiied sugarbush much. about a dozen times back when I worked at the common man back in 99. Every area reports snow differently. With the 5-6 overnight, 8 in the last 72 hours, and 12" in the last 4 days, and cold temps, I was expecting to see 4 or so at the lot, 6+ mid way and near a foot with deeper drifts at the top. Instead it was less then an inch at the lot. 1-2 midway up, and the deepest drifts being 6 inches deep, and only on the ROD. Nothing natural is even remotely close to skiable. Now I know, the bush reports the deepest spots they can find as the smount of snow they got, in other words, their snow report is complete BS.
The nice thing about having a weather station on Mansfield, they actually report the weather. Skiied the man made snow all the way down, and got hassled. Nice day for a skin though.
 

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First time ever. As a direct comparison...last year at MRG the day before opening. Prolly 30-40 ppl Skinning ans skiing. Patrol opened Starks nest, Got the fires going and the heat on. As I was warming up after a lap, one of the patrolers announced he was going to head out and start putting ropes up. The head of patrol stopped him and said, " let's let these people have their fun before we start roping things off."
That's the difference between a community and a monarchy.
 

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First time ever. As a direct comparison...last year at MRG the day before opening. Prolly 30-40 ppl Skinning ans skiing. Patrol opened Starks nest, Got the fires going and the heat on. As I was warming up after a lap, one of the patrolers announced he was going to head out and start putting ropes up. The head of patrol stopped him and said, " let's let these people have their fun before we start roping things off."
That's the difference between a community and a monarchy.

Understood, but you have to see it from SB's perspective. If you were paying for the liability insurance coverage you'd understand. MRG had no snowmaking equipment, snowmobiles, groomers, etc. on the trails on that day. SB asked (nicely) last year on here and in other places that folks avoid skiing runs where they were snowmaking/grooming. The issue was liability and equipment in place. Can't knock them.

Now other places, for whatever reason, don't seem to mind. We've had this debate every season since the beginning of time. A hard and fast rule usually has been if you want to hike it and ski it, do it discretely, at your own risk, and away from resort personnel and equipment. From the sounds of it, you weren't too discrete, so I can't really sympathize. If anything, SB is pretty lax about people hiking for turns preseason...as long as you stay away from their mountain snowmaking operations. Win has said so himself in here...at your own risk and away from our operations.
 

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Hey SRO--

Where did SB move those compressors to? They used to be at the storage/maintenance area up near the groomer garage. Did they move them down below the parking lots? Do they still rent air compressors?

No diesel compressors at all anymore. The electric compressors are located in a snowmaking control building down below the parking lots.
 

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True, and I understand that to a point..Sugarbush is a land lease situation, yes?

Lincoln Peak is on GMNF land, and it is within the USFS special use permit for them to say no turn-earning. Mt. Ellen is 95% private property held by Win & Co., so he has every right to say no hiking for turns.

It's liability through and through, and as much as I'd love to be up there testing out the snow, I agree with Win's/Sugarbush's call on this one.
 

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Just got back. Natural snow coervage about 3 inches. About an inch until 3000 ft, then a solid 3...with one area approaching 5 inches up by the tower, above the lift at south, and that was errant snow gun deposits. Never really skiied sugarbush much. about a dozen times back when I worked at the common man back in 99. Every area reports snow differently. With the 5-6 overnight, 8 in the last 72 hours, and 12" in the last 4 days, and cold temps, I was expecting to see 4 or so at the lot, 6+ mid way and near a foot with deeper drifts at the top. Instead it was less then an inch at the lot. 1-2 midway up, and the deepest drifts being 6 inches deep, and only on the ROD. Nothing natural is even remotely close to skiable. Now I know, the bush reports the deepest spots they can find as the smount of snow they got, in other words, their snow report is complete BS.
The nice thing about having a weather station on Mansfield, they actually report the weather. Skiied the man made snow all the way down, and got hassled. Nice day for a skin though.
Thanks for the update, JD. Now I no longer feel bad about not being able to ski tomorrow due to last minute work related issues coming up. 8" in the past 72 had my jaw dropping and that would definitely be skiable. Doesn't sound like it happened.
 

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Just FYI, this storm was extremely locale-dependent. I'm 100% confident that somewhere on the mountain, they measured a legit 8". This morning, I woke up to 4" at my house, but only 1" at the base area at Mt. Ellen. Usually it's the other way around! So my bet is that it's up there somewhere, just not where you were looking for it!
 

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Just FYI, this storm was extremely locale-dependent. I'm 100% confident that somewhere on the mountain, they measured a legit 8". This morning, I woke up to 4" at my house, but only 1" at the base area at Mt. Ellen. Usually it's the other way around! So my bet is that it's up there somewhere, just not where you were looking for it!


If they did, they had to go looking for it. A much more reasonable report would have been 1-3 inches windblow snow. That is an accurate account of general conditions and what one could expect on the mountain. Stowe, with all their shortcomings, is very accurate with snow reports, Jay, more like Sugarbush. Believe me, as someone who only tries to ski natural snow, I want there to be snow. It's mildly annoying when they embelish ( and after extensive hunting at south, embelish is a kind use of words) reports, folks drive 20-30-40 miles for some skiing, only to realize they were not truthful in an attempt to get people to come ski. If I had read that report and driven from any great distance to ski there tomorrow I would have been rightly pissed off. We skiied anyway because friends drove from middlebury. The report indicating there might be a foot of snow up there from Tuesday is flat out laughable. Like I said, now I know they see snow reports as a marketing tool, and not to believe them.
 

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Just FYI, this storm was extremely locale-dependent. I'm 100% confident that somewhere on the mountain, they measured a legit 8". This morning, I woke up to 4" at my house, but only 1" at the base area at Mt. Ellen. Usually it's the other way around! So my bet is that it's up there somewhere, just not where you were looking for it!

maybe they should report as 1 to 8 inches then? If I saw 8 inches on a snow report, my expectation would be the majority of the mountain saw that amount of snow, not one isolated pocket.
 

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Welcome to the season! We are less than 24-hours away from the opening of Lincoln Peak, and Mother Nature is still sending lake-effect snow our way. Patrol this morning called in another five inchs at the summit, bringing our four-day total to a solid foot of fresh snow. Plus, the long-range forecast has more snowflakes and cool temps in it - that's great for snowmaking, and great for opening more terrain - FAST.


1-4 would be accurate enough. BTW, 2 inches of snow on tall grass does not=5 inches of snow.
 
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