Sugarbush

[JD]

Stowe would not report wind loaded areas as the amount of snow they recieved. All I'm sayin is they shouldn't go look for a deep drift and report it as new snow...I wish I took pictures that day. Laughable really. I'm more intrigued by their Special Use Contract now. Anyone know where we can read a copy?

 

[Swamp Dog]

Of course, this forecast looks a little more promising: http://www.snow-forecast.com/resorts/Sugarbush/6day/top

They're saying we'll get around 7" of snow and no rain. I'm okay with that!

heh...that's the one I'm going with then. I have to head into the area anyhow, just hoping Mother Nature cooperates with me.

 

[ski_resort_observer]

FYI - both kmart and Stowe are on state land, leased by the State of Vermont not NF land. LP is on NF land...big diference.

Also, Sugarbush is taking some flak over at www.skimrv.com over the fact that they don't use any snow received before opening in their season total.
So what your getting so hot and bothered about isn't relevent anymore as it was before 11/22, doesn't count.

 

[JD]

Why doesn't it count??? Because it never happened?

 

[Tin Woodsman]

Why doesn't it count??? Because it never happened?

Really? Were you at both Mt Ellen and Lincoln Peak? Because if you weren't you have absolutely no basis to make that claim. If this were a synoptic system, you'd have a point. When it's a Lake Champlain enhanced plume, it's an entirely different ballgame.

My point re: the Kitchen Wall was not about blow in. It was simply that some areas of a given mountain get more snow than the others both over the course of the year, and in a given storm. At K-Mart, the Canyon receives noticeably more snow than the Bear Mtn/South Ridge side. When you're dealing with two separate ski areas 2-3 miles apart, that matters in these situations. I watched that composite radar out of BTV for some time over the course of this system, and the heaviest plumes from the NNW were pretty narrow. I've skied at SB about 25-35 days per year for the last 10 seasons or so, I feel pretty confident that my observations over that time period are more relevant than a solo pre-season hike.

 

[JD]

But why don't they count snow that falls before their lifts start?

 

[SKIQUATTRO]

you count your practice swings on the range before you hit the 1st tee??

 

[JD]

Golf? Please. Seriously though....Why should ski areas not count all the snow they get. I skiied 20 inches of pow on Whiteface and Mansfield oct. 29th and 30th. I can assure you it was very real, and counted in my book. Oh, I know why now, they don't count it because they don't like to let people ski it...gottcha.


I was thinking about Sugarbush's resistance to people touring the area and it's result. (heard someone else got chased away from north this w/e just today) On some other forums there is some seious stoke (TGR East Coast thread) being posted about areas by people who have been going and hiking for the goods, hunting it out and posting pics of some of the awsome turns they found. Yes, these Mtns. had operations going on on the trails being skiied. Guns were in place. Cats were driving around the base areas, there was no hassel. As a result, the resorts benefit from INSANE free advertising of INSANE conditions. You think this doesn't sway people on what Mtn. they're gonna hit up this W/E. Other mountains....cough cough...have NO stoke posted and only comments about how is was a bust there on Sunday, or threads about how bummed employees were about not being able to line up for first chair and how they can get terminated for hiking for turns...anyone got a bush handbook handy? ALSO...do certain areas really think that the people that are getting up and skiing under their own power are the kind of folks who are gonna sue if they get hurt??? Utterly rediculous. The people who are gonna sue are the folks who buy day passed, fall on ice and break a hip, not back country skiers looking for a little early season POW. I would gladly tour at the bush over Stowe or MRG since it is way more convienient for me before or after work, and I would crow about how sick it was (if it was) and how cool the place was for being cool about it (if it was) as much as I crow about everything, which we all know is alot. But, I don't, because they aren't, and it hasen't been despite misleading reports that it might be. His loss really. That's why MRG is so rad, and Mansfield is so Rad, And Burke, And Bolton, And the Snow Bowl. And Jay. Because they are cool, and the skiing is great preseason sometimes, and they let us, even facilitate our shredding, and put pics of it on their site...
anyway...golf? It's for old people.

 

[JD]

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=141084
read about the cool maryland ski area that is cool with hikers here ^^^^^^

 

[thetrailboss]

Golf?
On some other forums there is some seious stoke (TGR East Coast thread) being posted about areas by people who have been going and hiking for the goods, hunting it out and posting pics of some of the awsome turns they found. Yes, these Mtns. had operations going on on the trails being skiied. Guns were in place. Cats were driving around the base areas, there was no hassel.

JD: this has been a recurrent annual thread here on AZ. No sense beating a dead horse.

Again, resorts each handle the situation in their own way. The issue, again, is what the insurance liability carrier tells the resorts are in its interest. And also there is a safety component here...what would happen if someone got hurt? Who would be the first responders? These have been the reasons put forward by Win.

As a result, the resorts benefit from INSANE free advertising of INSANE conditions. You think this doesn't sway people on what Mtn. they're gonna hit up this W/E.

No argument there. All recognize that value.

Other mountains....cough cough...have NO stoke posted and only comments about how is was a bust there on Sunday, or threads about how bummed employees were about not being able to line up for first chair and how they can get terminated for hiking for turns...anyone got a bush handbook handy?

There has been plenty of stoke from Sugarbush over the past few days...I just posted a TR, Atkinson came in with pics, etc.

ALSO...do certain areas really think that the people that are getting up and skiing under their own power are the kind of folks who are gonna sue if they get hurt??? Utterly rediculous. The people who are gonna sue are the folks who buy day passed, fall on ice and break a hip, not back country skiers looking for a little early season POW.

Again, read above for the reasons. You're using stereotypes here...and not thinking like an insurance company. Sure ski areas can allow people to hike, etc. But their insurance premiums will go up.....

I would gladly tour at the bush over Stowe or MRG since it is way more convienient for me before or after work, and I would crow about how sick it was (if it was) and how cool the place was for being cool about it (if it was) as much as I crow about everything, which we all know is alot. But, I don't, because they aren't, and it hasen't been despite misleading reports that it might be. His loss really. That's why MRG is so rad, and Mansfield is so Rad, And Burke, And Bolton, And the Snow Bowl. And Jay. Because they are cool, and the skiing is great preseason sometimes, and they let us, even facilitate our shredding, and put pics of it on their site...
anyway...golf? It's for old people.

I think that this is not a fair statement...most areas, as we have discussed ad nauseum, take the position that they neither promote nor condone skiing before and after season. Why? Because of balancing the stoke interest versus their business interest (insurance expenses).

You still seem to have overlooked the fact that again the "norm" is that if you are going to do such skiing it is (1) at your risk, and (2) done discretely. From what I have seen, you just seemed to have been looking for trouble by walking right up through Lincoln Peak Village and skiing right down past the Mountain Ops personnel. Were you looking for a fight? You walked right into the minefield and want us to feel sorry. Sorry, I can't. If you were really looking for stoke, you'd had known to stay away and enjoy it privately and discretely...as the rest of us do.

Win said last season and this season, rather diplomatically, basically, "we know you are going to ski preseason and postseason, so stay away from our Mountain Operations and other hazards and be prepared to care for yourself if you are injured."

There's nothing new here except from my POV you are pissed off that you got caught doing something that we were asked not to do.

 

[deadheadskier]

JD is to Sugarbush as Highwaystar is to Killington :lol:

j/k

 

[thetrailboss]

JD is to Sugarbush as Highwaystar is to Killington :lol:

j/k

:lol:

 

[JD]

Not really pissed. I never saw any message from Win, and went right thru the area because that's what I do everywhere, believed it to be true that if I don't use the lifts, I can ski where I want on leased land. This is my 4th year w/o a pass and my 6th or 7th hiking and skiine early season...my first time At Sugarbush....hassled. First time ever hassled anywhere. I was slightly annoyed and am using my voice to bring attention to the issue....what really baffles me is why people keep reponding. I don't like to sneak around....If I'm not welcome, I'll go elsewhere....and like I said...Their loss in the long run IMO....It doesn't kill me to 5 miles up to road to ski better terrain in a friendly enviornment full of high 5s I don't want your pity, But the point, as you observed has been made. Ad nasium, what ever that means, I don't speak french. 5 pages worth....of bitching...I'll sign a waiver....as long as I don't pay, private land owners are protected from liability lawsuits by people recreating with or w/o the knowledge of the landowner as per the landowner liability act.
http://www.leg.state.vt.us/statutes/fullchapter.cfm?Title=12&Chapter=201

 

[JD]

Keep those responses coming....bump bump bump.

 

[frozencorn]

JD is to Sugarbush as Highwaystar is to Killington :lol:

j/k

Zing!

 

[JD]

page 6....

 

[JD]

I take full cresdit for Sugarbushes new hiking policy.
http://www.sugarbush.com/snow-trails-conditions/live-mountain-update

 

[WWF-VT]

I take full cresdit for Sugarbushes new hiking policy.
http://www.sugarbush.com/snow-trails-conditions/live-mountain-update

From the Sugarbush web site: "the Heaven's Gate chair has closed for the day. But... because we already have Ski Patrol stationed up top, hiking is allowed"

This is not a come on up and hike up and ski any trail mountain policy. In the past, if a lift closed but ski patrol designated that a trail was open then you could hike and ski/ride that open trail.

 

[JD]

You're welcome.

 

[BushMogulMaster]

JD, Bush has been doing this for years. If a lift is on windhold and there is patrol, they make a call based on the safety factors. 9 times out of 10, they'll let you hike.