Tenney

[thetrailboss]

Although they are talking about next season, history has shown that when a company that owns the resort has little ski resort experience things can easily go from bad to worse.

This is probably crazy but since the company basically owns a slew of truck stops and convenience stores would building one on 3A be worth the investment? Wing Dings and a Coke, anyone?....lol

So this IS THE same company?

Wow. Talk about broadening the portfolio....

So does this mean that the trail names are going to be changed to "Peterbilt," "Highway King," "Freightliner," etc.?

:lol:

 

[ski_resort_observer]

I offered similar criticism on the NELSAP room and was lambasted. .

Maybe this is the wrong thread but I don't see that at all. I think you made a great point as I bet most everyone else did as well.
http://www.snowjournal.com/page.php?cid=topic10170

 

[ski_resort_observer]

So this IS THE same company?

Wow. Talk about broadening the portfolio....

So does this mean that the trail names are going to be changed to "Peterbilt," "Highway King," "Freightliner," etc.?
:lol:

Actually, not 100% sure..that's why I asked about that in the same SJ thread.. If it's true those are some great names they will use....:wink:

 

[thetrailboss]

Maybe this is the wrong thread but I don't see that at all.
http://www.snowjournal.com/page.php?cid=topic10170

I commented about their chairlift problems. Both Chris and others said I was being too harsh. Still made no sense to take that lift apart only to put it back together again.

 

[ski_resort_observer]

Haven't been able to confirm 100% that the company we are talking about is the one that bought Tenney but if it is, this might have something to do with the sudden change in closing on such short notice.

Cut and pasted From Hoover.
Able Energy, a New Jersey-based heating oil and fuel distributor, acquired a majority stake in All American Plazas in 2005 for about $35 million. In 2006 it bought the rest of the company.

Also, AAP is a pretty small company to be buying a ski resort. Now, a bigger company in 2006 owns AAP which owns Tenney. :yikes:

All conjecture at this point tho.

Thinking that the students at Plymouth SC might be impacted as well.

 

[riverc0il]

fwiw, i believe they have closed for a season in the recent past and made a come back, but i think that was for vastly different reasons. if the new ownership is already solid and finances are available to operate, they should be open. poor business decision if this is just to not "interfere with the skiers". how much work on the slopes and base area are they really planning on doing that they couldn't make the season work with only minor "interference?"

 

[FridayHiker]

Yes, Able Energy now owns Tenney Mt.

Here's the SEC filing for any curious digit-heads:

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1065728/000118811206001054/tpre14a-9831.htm

 

[bvibert]

how much work on the slopes and base area are they really planning on doing that they couldn't make the season work with only minor "interference?"

How much work do they expect to get done when the ground is frozen and covered in snow?

The fact that they see the ski season and skiers/boarders as interfering with their operation doesn't make it sound like they're too serious about running a ski resort....

 

[thetrailboss]

How much work do they expect to get done when the ground is frozen and covered in snow?

The fact that they see the ski season and skiers/boarders as interfering with their operation doesn't make it sound like they're too serious about running a ski resort....

I agree.

 

[thetrailboss]

They finally updated the website with:

Tenney Mountain to Remain Closed for 2006-07 Ski Season
Saturday, December 09, 2006

With and eye toward the future, the ownership of Tenney Mountain Ski Resort has decided not to open the ski operation this winter instead opting to focus on future planning for the entire resort including an exciting outdoor adventure partnership plan with Eastern Mountain Sports (EMS). The decision came as the resort management and staff was in the midst of preparing for 2006-2007 ski season.

"Ownership believes the best way forward is to concentrate fully on the future planning for the ski resort and associated real estate, without the encumbrance of the daily ski resort operation" said Joel Bourassa, spokesman for Tenney Mountain. "Here at the mountain, we are indeed very disappointed but, at the same time, excited to be working on some exciting development plans and working with our new partners at EMS."

Tenney was purchased in January 2006 by a New York company which saw a great investment and development opportunity at Tenney. The vision is still very much alive and, hopefully, by next ski season, skiers and riders will start to see the results of this winter's planning.

Season pass holders at Tenney will receive a prompt refund on their purchase and school programs, events, races and other activities will be redirected to other nearby ski resorts. Passholders will also be offered various season pass incentives at Loon, Waterville Valley, Cranmore, Ragged, and Gunstock.

As for the partnership with EMS, Tenney expects a long-term relationship to begin this winter with some scheduled on-mountain EMS programs including introduction to alpine touring, guided backcountry tours, introduction to telemark skiing and much more. These programs will be based out of the Tenney Mountain Base Lodge and held on Tenney property.

Now some comments...

Tenney Mountain to Remain Closed for 2006-07 Ski Season
Saturday, December 09, 2006

With and eye toward the future, the ownership of Tenney Mountain Ski Resort has decided not to open the ski operation this winter instead opting to focus on future planning for the entire resort including an exciting outdoor adventure partnership plan with Eastern Mountain Sports (EMS). The decision came as the resort management and staff was in the midst of preparing for 2006-2007 ski season.

"Ownership believes the best way forward is to concentrate fully on the future planning for the ski resort and associated real estate, without the encumbrance of the daily ski resort operation" said Joel Bourassa, spokesman for Tenney Mountain.

:blink: Huh? You are a ski area. The point is to have skiers and riders. This is your business and not an "encumbrance." If skiers and riders are such, then they are in the wrong business.

"Here at the mountain, we are indeed very disappointed but, at the same time, excited to be working on some exciting development plans and working with our new partners at EMS."

I think they mention this at least three or four times.....a bit much.

Tenney was purchased in January 2006 by a New York company which saw a great investment and development opportunity at Tenney. The vision is still very much alive and, hopefully, by next ski season, skiers and riders will start to see the results of this winter's planning.

Key word: "development."

As for the partnership with EMS, Tenney expects a long-term relationship to begin this winter with some scheduled on-mountain EMS programs including introduction to alpine touring, guided backcountry tours, introduction to telemark skiing and much more. These programs will be based out of the Tenney Mountain Base Lodge and held on Tenney property.

So.....skiers and riders are an encumbrance, but this is not? Makes no sense. :blink:

 

[FridayHiker]

Here's the UL's article, which is essentially (exactly?) the same as the story that ran on WMUR on Friday night:

http://www.unionleader.com/article....rticleId=65eaa755-befc-4e65-86c8-99536695fe26

 

[riverc0il]

here is another thought: if they are focusing on real estate development so much, how are they going to attract potential buyers? not operating the ski area for a season is certainly not attractive to the potential buyer, especially someone that is loyal to the mountain. something like haystack would be completely different as the mountain sat dormant before it was purchased and redeveloped, it was already closed when it was purchased. i think this decision could come back to hurt their real estate sales next year in some minor way. tenney had a lot of buzz going into this season and people were looking forward to good things much in the same way as burke has a lot of buzz when there was rumors of ginn coming in and taking things over. i am sure potential real estate buyers would have made it a point to ski tenney this season based on the news of real estate development and a new high speed lift.

 

[Warp Daddy]

Yep---Just Like i thought ---they got it Backasswards.

These geniuses must have gotten one of those email MBA's from DASOM--uh that'd be The Dumb Ass School of Management :flame:

 

[skibum]

There's been rumors lately of EMS opening a store in Lincoln or Plymouth. Hmmmm...maybe this will speed that up. Not good news for PS&S, Ski Fanatics or Rodger's
I hope they allow backcountry skiiers on the mountain and not just EMS's groups.

 

[C2H5OH]

Does anyone have more detail on the "summer" snow they were making last year? Was that kind of snowmaking expensive?
Seems like a good idea for this December ...

 

[C2H5OH]

found this in boston.com:

"Here's how traditional snow making works. During the winter, when the air temperature is below freezing, ski areas blow compressed air and water through special nozzles. The tiny, aerated water droplets freeze as they hang in the cold air, then fall to the ground as artificial flakes.

The technology being used this summer at Tenney reverses that process. Water is chilled first, then frozen into thin sheets of ice inside a small building that looks like an electric sub-station. The ice is then broken into tiny pieces, and, with the help of compressed air, also cooled to snow-friendly temperatures. It is sprayed through a long plastic hose onto the mountain.

Tenney's Infinite Crystal Snowmaking system is capable of producing as much as 50 tons of snow over 24 hours. It uses less water than traditional systems, but far more electricity. Because it can make snow regardless of the air temperature, it's called temperature-independent snow making...."

Depending on the volume of snow it's capable of making, an ICS system can cost anywhere from $400,000 to $1 million. The system can make flakes of almost any size, down to 0.3 millimeters. For the summer, though, bigger flakes are better because they last longer.

 

[thetrailboss]

found this in boston.com:

"Here's how traditional snow making works. During the winter, when the air temperature is below freezing, ski areas blow compressed air and water through special nozzles. The tiny, aerated water droplets freeze as they hang in the cold air, then fall to the ground as artificial flakes.

The technology being used this summer at Tenney reverses that process. Water is chilled first, then frozen into thin sheets of ice inside a small building that looks like an electric sub-station. The ice is then broken into tiny pieces, and, with the help of compressed air, also cooled to snow-friendly temperatures. It is sprayed through a long plastic hose onto the mountain.

Tenney's Infinite Crystal Snowmaking system is capable of producing as much as 50 tons of snow over 24 hours. It uses less water than traditional systems, but far more electricity. Because it can make snow regardless of the air temperature, it's called temperature-independent snow making...."

Depending on the volume of snow it's capable of making, an ICS system can cost anywhere from $400,000 to $1 million. The system can make flakes of almost any size, down to 0.3 millimeters. For the summer, though, bigger flakes are better because they last longer.

.....and that ICS system is doing a hell of a lot of good right now. :lol:

FWIW they never got any further than the small terrain park with that system. They had BIG plans to increase it to cover a run or two off of the double. Never happened. I guess their Japanese Snow didn't work.

 

[threecy]

.....and that ICS system is doing a hell of a lot of good right now. :lol:

FWIW they never got any further than the small terrain park with that system. They had BIG plans to increase it to cover a run or two off of the double. Never happened. I guess their Japanese Snow didn't work.

Ya, you can't use that to cover a whole mountain - frankly, only using one unit made it seem like a glorified Slush Puppy machine!

 

[thetrailboss]

Ya, you can't use that to cover a whole mountain - frankly, only using one unit made it seem like a glorified Slush Puppy machine!

Yeah, those pics they had up in 2003 were not too appealing. More mud and hay than anything else....

 

[threecy]

Yeah, those pics they had up in 2003 were not too appealing. More mud and hay than anything else....

...which is pretty funny because hay melts snow