Terry Schiavo - RIP

[hammer]

The saddest thing about all of this is that nobody seems to care about what this poor woman wanted. It's all about politics and religion and personal views of morality.

So, make your living will now, put it in writing and videotape it. This way, the political/religious parasites in abundance in this country won't be able to trample on you like a soapbox.

Pitiful!

Amen to that! (oops, I made a religious statement :wink

 

[dmc]

The saddest thing about all of this is that nobody seems to care about what this poor woman wanted. It's all about politics and religion and personal views of morality.

So, make your living will now, put it in writing and videotape it. This way, the political/religious parasites in abundance in this country won't be able to trample on you like a soapbox.

Pitiful!

Amen to that! (oops, I made a religious statement :wink

Religion isn't bad...
Just when people try and shove it down your throat..

 

[ctenidae]

It's not that no one cares what she wanted (maybe I'm speaking for myself, here), it's that we don't know what she wanted, and can't do anything about it. We do know what we each want, or would want, and we can do something about our ability to have those wishes fulfilled. We also know what we think the government should and should not be involved in, and would like to think that we can do something about that.

 

[dmc]

Her husband knew what she wanted...

 

[Stephen]

The odd thing... I don't see that the courts could rule any other way. The spouse/guardian has the say when there is no docuentation in place.

If my wife were in that situation, I wouldn't want anyone else to make that decision. If the parents had one iota of proof that Teri's choice was otherwise, then there would be an issue.

Having said that, his actions were slimy, and denying the family a chance to grieve, to be present when she died, regardless of the disagreement, was an atrocity, and shows the true character of this piece of dross.

-Stephen

 

[dmc]

The odd thing... I don't see that the courts could rule any other way. The spouse/guardian has the say when there is no docuentation in place.

It's not odd... It's the law...
And a every court they took their case to said the same thing...

 

[hammer]

It's not odd... It's the law...
And a every court they took their case to said the same thing...

I don't know any particulars of Florida law or the Florida state constitution, but if that's what the courts said (and that's only what they said) then IMO they did their job.

 

[dmc]

It's not odd... It's the law...
And a every court they took their case to said the same thing...

I don't know any particulars of Florida law or the Florida state constitution, but if that's what the courts said (and that's only what they said) then IMO they did their job.

It wasnt just Fla courts that ruled...
Even GWB's tool of a brother couldnt stop the courts...

 

[bvibert]

...to be present when she died, regardless of the disagreement, was an atrocity, and shows the true character of this piece of dross.

I don't know if its true or not, but I heard a news story that said it was the hospital officials, not the husband, that kept the family out of the room because they were being disruptive and trying to reconnect the life support equipment themselves.

 

[hammer]

It's not odd... It's the law...
And a every court they took their case to said the same thing...

I don't know any particulars of Florida law or the Florida state constitution, but if that's what the courts said (and that's only what they said) then IMO they did their job.

It wasnt just Fla courts that ruled...
Even GWB's tool of a brother couldnt stop the courts...

Maybe I was just thinking about the courts that only should have been involved in the first place...

 

[Stephen]

It wasnt just Fla courts that ruled...
Even GWB's tool of a brother couldnt stop the courts...

And who are the courts supposed to be accountable to?

May I remind you that the 203-58 vote for the bill in U.S. Congress included 47 democrats and was more reflective of the will of the people than the decision of 3 judges on a review panel?

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/20/schiavo/

bvibert, I'd be interested in reading that article.

-Stephen

 

[bvibert]

bvibert, I'd be interested in reading that article.

I heard it on the radio, so I have no solid source, sorry... Like I said I don't know if its true or not, just offering up the possibility. I don't think it would change anyone's opinion on the matter one way or the other...

 

[dmc]

And who are the courts supposed to be accountable to?

The people...
Not God...

 

[hammer]

And who are the courts supposed to be accountable to?

Are you talking in theory or in reality?

I'm definitely not a lawyer or a historian (and I didn't stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night), but in theory, I think that the courts' jobs are to interpret the law and to ensure that laws do not violate the constitution.

Therefore, I'd say that the courts should be accountable to the law, not to the people (and certainly not to anyone's deity). If the law's the problem, then that's where the Legislature comes in...

In reality, the courts are influenced by politics, but they are supposed to keep that influence to a minimum. Doesn't always happen, though...

 

[ctenidae]

The courts did as they should have, here, and interpretted the law. The problem arises from JebCo, then BushCo trying to change the law to force the courts to a different decision. There's no way this should have gotten past the local Florida court. At the very most, the Florida appeals court. It should not have gotten to the Governor's office, and absolutely should not have ended up anywhere near the Supreme Court, much less the US Congress. It's not a Federal issue. it was hardly a state issue, and should have only been a family issue.

 

[Jaime86]

oh my

You two are fighting over the past. Yes I know that it's sad that she's gone, but there's nothing we can do to bring her back and the mistakes that the government made can't be taken away. We're only human, we're supposed to make mistakes. That's how we learn. But I am standing my ground, her husband had no right making the decision. None!

 

[Jaime86]

How would you feel...if you were in a horrific accident and your family did all they could to keep you alive, but at the same time, your husband is giving up all hope of your recovery...even after a lot of years has gone by. If you have faith, then miracles happen. God only helps those who believe.

 

[dmc]

How would you feel...if you were in a horrific accident and your family did all they could to keep you alive, but at the same time, your husband is giving up all hope of your recovery...even after a lot of years has gone by. If you have faith, then miracles happen. God only helps those who believe.

What if I don't believe in God? What if I ddidn't believe in miracles??
Why do I have to think like you...??? This is America - I'll think on my own - thank you very much...

If "alive" means laying in a bed - while my celebral cortex turned to jelly - shiting and drooling on myself then I'd rather be dead...

Gods will was interupted when man threw his technology at that poor woman...
Keep you religious crap away from me... It pisses me off...

 

[dmc]

Re: oh my

That's how we learn. But I am standing my ground, her husband had no right making the decision. None!

So if marriage is devalued and not that important where someone can make life and death desicions about a spouse..


Then we should let gays marry...

 

[Jaime86]

If it pisses you off then ignore it. No one said you had to believe in God. Yes, this is America and as much freedom as you have to not believe in God, I have the same ammouth of freedom to say that I do.