VAIL SUCKS

[deadheadskier]

Yeah, nothing official, but I highly doubt we see foreign help in any real meaningful numbers. Two years ago, some of these young workers got trapped in this country for weeks to months.

If I had college aged kids looking to work overseas there's no way I'd be supportive of them working or traveling overseas for an extended period of time the way things are still going with Covid. Too many unknowns still.

 

[2Planker]

Most institutions have shut down their Study Abroad opportunities for this year..

For the coming 21/22 season looks like Austria is about to limit skiing to only visitors from Switzerland, France & Italy - OUCH !!!!

 

[KustyTheKlown]

speaking of austria, ikon added kitzbuhel and dolomiti superski (italia). cool.

i went to some part of dolomiti for women's slalom in the 2006 turin games. i was very drunk. i have no idea where I was. i didn't ski. didn't have gear or clothes for skiing during study abroad. a fail. but attending the winter Olympics in Italy was a major win. highlights were that skiing event, Canada v Switzerland men's hockey (2-0 swiss, with swiss goalie martin gerber saving 58 shots from the Canadian national team), and Sweden v. Russia hockey (Lundqvist v ovechkin - epic - ovechkin lit up hank with a hat trick, but hank went on to take gold with the swedes), and seeing Jamiroquai in a big public concert in an Italian piazza

 

[dblskifanatic]

speaking of austria, ikon added kitzbuhel and dolomiti superski (italia). cool.

i went to some part of dolomiti for women's slalom in the 2006 turin games. i was very drunk. i have no idea where I was. i didn't ski. didn't have gear or clothes for skiing during study abroad. a fail. but attending the winter Olympics in Italy was a major win. highlights were that skiing event, Canada v Switzerland men's hockey (2-0 swiss, with swiss goalie martin gerber saving 58 shots from the Canadian national team), and Sweden v. Russia hockey (Lundqvist v ovechkin - epic - ovechkin lit up hank with a hat trick, but hank went on to take gold with the swedes), and seeing Jamiroquai in a big public concert in an Italian piazza

Well Ikon is starting to catch up to Vail!

 

[gittist]

Wildcat with be open 3 days a week and attitash 4. Neither open on Wednesday.

Where did you hear this? I really hope it doesn't happen!

 

[BenedictGomez]

Canada v Switzerland men's hockey (2-0 swiss, with swiss goalie martin gerber saving 58 shots from the Canadian national team).

I remember watching that game live & having a schadenfreude boner. Surprised those tickets werent ridiculously expensive.

 

[machski]

Well Ikon is starting to catch up to Vail!

To some extent, Ikon has now passed Epic. To ski Europe on Epic, you have to have a full pass and restrictions vary all over the place between resorts. With Ikon, all three Euro resorts are valid on the full Ikon (7 unlimited days each) or the base pass (5 days each).

 

[Newpylong]

Yup, Mount Snow now, the vast majority of the time that they're making snow, *if* there is a limiting factor, it's much more likely to be how much water they can pump vs how much air they have for the system.

And even now, since all of the air/water guns are low-e HKD's and Snow Logic's, they can simultaneosuly run on as many, if not more air/water trails as they used too, even though they no longer bring in any outside rental air compresors.

Mount Snow still has a ton of air with that new air plant they built on Drop. Also Geoff, compressed air is nowhere near freezing, it has to be cooled either via an after cooler directly on the compressors or cooling towers if not equipped. The pipes are warm to the touch if you use your bare hand, especially on diesel produced air, that runs extremely hot. You can send it up the hill hot but it won't efficiently convert water. Send it too cold the lines will freeze. 40s is the ideal...

Unfortunately Attitash and Wildcat are a lost cause under Vail. It started with the Exodus of Attitash's highly skilled Snow Surface manager a year after Vail took over because he couldn't deal with Vail's shit and the GM was a yes man. Then Heon left and they've gone through GMs like hot cakes. 3 of these ex-Peak guys are not happily working for Boyne or directly for Sunday River. They treat their employees better and they're investing in the hill.

I don't know how anyone could support Vail given what they're doing. I only hope they decide to sell off the underperformed properties.

 

[deadheadskier]

Losing Patrick in MTN ops at Wildcat was a huge loss too. Pretty certain he moved over to Sugarbush.

I hope they sell off at least Wildcat, but I doubt it happens. My guess is the number of long time supporters of Wildcat like myself who are voting with their wallet and heart and skiing elsewhere are more than made up for by folks lured in by cheap passes.

In a perfect world, I'd like to see the state own Wildcat to pair up with Cannon.

 

[MogulMonsters]

Attitash is a very strange situation. Folks have been gobbling up trailside condos for $650k that would have sold for $450k 3-4 years ago. Several of them are gutted down to the studs.

I would assume that these are educated buyers. Do they know something that we don’t?

 

[KustyTheKlown]

I remember watching that game live & having a schadenfreude boner. Surprised those tickets werent ridiculously expensive.

i dont remember exactly how much everything cost, but I do remember it all being pretty affordable for a bunch of 20 year old college kids. we were studying in rome. the biggest issue we experienced for the olympics was not booking accommodation until late, we ended up in a suburb a solid 45 by train from turin. the hockey games were probably like $100 each. the whole thing is a blur. amazing experience tho. wayne gretzky was the gm of that Canada team and he was lording over that swiss game in a box and he looked fucking pissed off lol

 

[deadheadskier]

Attitash is a very strange situation. Folks have been gobbling up trailside condos for $650k that would have sold for $450k 3-4 years ago. Several of them are gutted down to the studs.

I would assume that these are educated buyers. Do they know something that we don’t?

I think it's purely a function of the pandemic creating more of a premium for slopeside lodging than ever before.

If I could afford it, I'd be all about it. The benefits of being able to boot up at home and ski home for lunch vs tailgating in the parking lot or eating some of the most overpriced and low quality food I've ever ate in a ski lodge would be highly desirable to me.

Last year the food quality at Vails NH mountains was God awful. WAY worse than the year prior. A friend who worked in senior leadership at Vail corporate last season said it was a function of cost containment due to the pandemic. So, perhaps it improves this year.

 

[urungus]

Last year the food quality at Vails NH mountains was God awful. WAY worse than the year prior. A friend who worked in senior leadership at Vail corporate last season said it was a function of cost containment due to the pandemic. So, perhaps it improves this year.

In my experience, when there is ”cost containment” - in any industry - because of recession, pandemic, etc., the cutbacks are rarely restored once things improve. Instead it becomes the “new normal”

 

[snoseek]

The trick if you go epic is dont give them a fucking dime at the lodge or shops. If Corona retaught me anything is that parking lot beer are the best beers

 

[jimmywilson69]

exactly don't give them another dime and use your pass as much as possible.

Also Parking Lot Beers are the best!

 

[drjeff]

Attitash is a very strange situation. Folks have been gobbling up trailside condos for $650k that would have sold for $450k 3-4 years ago. Several of them are gutted down to the studs.

I would assume that these are educated buyers. Do they know something that we don’t?

More like panic buying with a Utopian dream of a steady, lucrative short term rental income is more likely.

A bunch of my Mount Snow friends are currently laughing at what is likely a similar scenario. Newly bought within the COVID buying surge, not even slopeside, but about 3/4ths a mile from the Carinthia base lodge, 4br/3bath roughly 3200 square ft 3 floor townhome in a nice development with full healthclub/indoor pool on property.

Looking for a "full" seasonal rental - which is the last week of December through the 2nd week of April in the owners eyes. Owners take back 2 non holiday weekends, and they're looking for 48k for the full "season" rental!! Absolutely insane!

 

[snoseek]

More like panic buying with a Utopian dream of a steady, lucrative short term rental income is more likely.

A bunch of my Mount Snow friends are currently laughing at what is likely a similar scenario. Newly bought within the COVID buying surge, not even slopeside, but about 3/4ths a mile from the Carinthia base lodge, 4br/3bath roughly 3200 square ft 3 floor townhome in a nice development with full healthclub/indoor pool on property.

Looking for a "full" seasonal rental - which is the last week of December through the 2nd week of April in the owners eyes. Owners take back 2 non holiday weekends, and they're looking for 48k for the full "season" rental!! Absolutely insane!

In a couple years I think it will be downright delusional!

 

[icecoast1]

Attitash is a very strange situation. Folks have been gobbling up trailside condos for $650k that would have sold for $450k 3-4 years ago. Several of them are gutted down to the studs.

I would assume that these are educated buyers. Do they know something that we don’t?

Thats the real estate market these days in many areas. People are grossly overpaying and in some cases waving the inspections and/or buying online sight unseen. Crazy. If you owned multiple homes right now and could move to one full time you could make a killing

 

[2Planker]

That’s what we’re looking at in 4-5 years. If only we could make it work now…

 

[Mum skier]

If Wildcat, Attitash and Crotched are only open part time in the weekdays it seems that’s a significant enough change that anyone with a Northeast or especially a mid week north east pass should be given the option to cancel their pass.