The new lifts coming in, the pass that is good at east coast places, Midwest places, western ski areas, Canadian ski places
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VAIL SUCKS
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Edd
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Not a Wildcat skier?
Shortened seasons. Huge reduction in snowmaking (even at places like stowe). Cutting kids after school programs. Treat their employees like garbage. Vail cannot go out of business fast enough.
Exactly, and the more resorts they own the worse it will get.
PAabe
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Walmart level prices only apply to the passes. Day tickets and especially night tickets have been increased a lot. Elimination of night passes, stopped participating in statewide 4th & 5th grade ski and ride pass, eliminated advantage cards, withdrew from regional ski cards and parks and rec. tickets
Please don't.
Don’t hold hold your breath while you are waiting for vail go out of business, although Peter lynch of fidelity fame, one of his rules in investing is buy a company that any old idiot can run because sooner or later an idiot will be running it, so I guess if you wait around long enough on vail, the lynch rule will probably happen
eatskisleep
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If they ever open
See American ski company. Exact same business model. Works for a few years until enough skiers get sick of terrible experiences and stop buying passes.
Edd
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This is the year for Wildcat and Vail for me. If they fuck it up (likely) than I’ll move on. It takes a special type of asshole company to fuck up Wildcat, which is a relatively simple ski area. I doubt there’s enough pissed off Wildcat regulars to put a blip on Vail’s radar but, if they ruin it, I hope the industry buzz shames them as they deserve to be shamed.
They will keep trying to get more and more profitable by tactics like further cuts to snowmaking/season length and increasing the number of resorts they charge for parking at. It will work out financially for a while but skiers will get increasingly pissed at them. They will eventually implode as people realize how terrible their skiing experience is but it will get worse before that. There are not enough gapers to sustain vail indefinitely. Especially since they are reducing the number of future skiers by their cuts to kids programs.
the only thing American ski company and vail have in common is vail owns a few ski resorts that were part of American ski company, check a couple of vails last 10Q/10k, they have over a billion in cash, spending up to 320 million on 19 lifts and other projects, may hit 2 million in season passes, the next 10Q will confirm this, a few weeks ago stock hit a new high, Looks to me like vail is only getting stronger.
Until they literally have no staff and no customers. I worked middle mgmt jobs for both companies and they were pretty close to me..
Edit. Asc actually paid alot.better come to think of it
Time will tell, but I don’t think vail/alterra are going away
Alterra doesn't have the same issues as Vail does. Every single one of their Northeast mountains are open this weekend. Compare that to Vail.
It only validates my choice in moving on from Wildcat. Hopefully the debt load eventually catches up with Vail.
It only validates my choice in moving on from Wildcat. Hopefully the debt load eventually catches up with Vail.
For now alterra seeks to have a better product imo. Just remember asc was a force to be reckoned with in the 90s. As soon as you go public rational long term planning goes out the window. What is vails end game here? Cut prices more to lure them back? It's not sustainable
