VAIL SUCKS

[deadheadskier]

I started the vax talk, I am sorry about that. Mandating a vaccine To work at attic at for 20 yr olds that the virus doesn’t effect Is kinda stupid when ur hard up.

I can throw shade at Vail for many things, but employment vaccination policy I cannot. As I understand the rules, they didn't really have a choice unless they wanted to gamble that the courts would stop the federal policy on vaccines for large employers over 100 workers. I believe vaccine or weekly testing will be required for those companies starting January 10th. So having this happen right during ski season, Vail's hand was kind of forced. Unless they have some exemptions I'm not aware of.

 

[johnl87]

I can throw shade at Vail for many things, but employment vaccination policy I cannot. As I understand the rules, they didn't really have a choice unless they wanted to gamble that the courts would stop the federal policy on vaccines for large employers over 100 workers. I believe vaccine or weekly testing will be required for those companies starting January 10th. So having this happen right during ski season, Vail's hand was kind of forced. Unless they have some exemptions I'm not aware of.

first of all, the order is not constitutional and other major corporations have halted implementation.

secondly, vail could have offered the testing option like other large ski companies did, but they did not. bye bye snowmakers.

thirdly, vail could have chosen not to implement this ahead of the federal orders, which means they would have until february (if the supremes don't strike it down). snowmaking is just about done in the east at that point, but what would the suits in colorado know about that?

 

[deadheadskier]

I'm not here to argue the constitutionality of the mandates. I'm not a lawyer. Are you a constitutional lawyer or a a Facebook lawyer?

Just saying Vail likely saw compliance as the easiest choice they could make going into hiring season with the information they had. I'm not sure allowing the testing option would have worked either. Sounds like a logistical nightmare to roll out given how ski resorts operate.

Again, I'm one of Vails biggest critics, but this one isn't entirely on them.

 

[jaytrem]

I've heard some companies are happy about mandates since it can in theory help weed out potential employees that will give them "issues" in other areas.

 

[Geoff]

I'm not here to argue the constitutionality of the mandates. I'm not a lawyer. Are you a constitutional lawyer or a a Facebook lawyer?

I’m going with he stayed at a Holiday Inn. The case has not been heard by the Supreme Court yet.

 

[drjeff]

I'm not here to argue the constitutionality of the mandates. I'm not a lawyer. Are you a constitutional lawyer or a a Facebook lawyer?

Just saying Vail likely saw compliance as the easiest choice they could make going into hiring season with the information they had. I'm not sure allowing the testing option would have worked either. Sounds like a logistical nightmare to roll out given how ski resorts operate.

Again, I'm one of Vails biggest critics, but this one isn't entirely on them.

It seems like Vail's policy for employees and vaxxing is a simple 1 size fits all model, which given all the states/countries that they have employees in as as well as the multiple nationalities their employees are, and the likely feeling that they HAD to do something (one can argue all they want if that feeling of social responsibility is/isn't a good thing), I can see why they chose to do what they did, and at a point in time where the expectations from employees about their vaccination status would need to be to be hired didn't create any last minute changes in policy.

Is it the right thing or the wrong thing, or even a needed thing? I guess that is going to be an answer with plenty of subjectivity from tons of different view points

 

[crystalmountainskier]

It seems like Vail's policy for employees and vaxxing is a simple 1 size fits all model, which given all the states/countries that they have employees in as as well as the multiple nationalities their employees are, and the likely feeling that they HAD to do something (one can argue all they want if that feeling of social responsibility is/isn't a good thing), I can see why they chose to do what they did, and at a point in time where the expectations from employees about their vaccination status would need to be to be hired didn't create any last minute changes in policy.

Is it the right thing or the wrong thing, or even a needed thing? I guess that is going to be an answer with plenty of subjectivity from tons of different view points

The international workers are 100% vaxxed whether Vail wants them to be or not. Required for entry to the United States as a non-immigrant visa holder.

 

[Smellytele]

Is it really the mask thing or that they pay like shit?

 

[Kingslug20]

Probably both

 

[Geoff]

Is it really the mask thing or that they pay like shit?

In Colorado, Vail starts at $15/hour. My stepdaughter works in Vail Village a few steps from the parking structure. Entry level jobs in the village start at $20 and most employers kick in at least a season pass. I doubt many employees at Vail are at the minimum $15/hour. Nobody is going to take a job that pays less than $20.

I don’t know anything about New Hampshire pay but that’s how Vail pays at their Colorado resorts. This isn’t a corporate wage rate.

 

[abc]

first of all, the order is not constitutional and other major corporations have halted implementation.

I'm not here to argue the constitutionality of the mandates. I'm not a lawyer. Are you a constitutional lawyer or a a Facebook lawyer?

I’m going with he stayed at a Holiday Inn. The case has not been heard by the Supreme Court yet.I

I don't think he even has time to stay in the Holiday Inn.

Join yesterday. Only posted vaccine disinformation garbage so far.

But maybe he got kicked out of his job because he refuse to vaccinate so he had time to spew his hate here...

Put on 'IGNORE'.

 

[LonghornSkier]

FWIW-I was recruited by VailResorts in Winter 2019 for a revenue management role at their HQ.

I wasn’t interested in switching jobs at the time-but they did not pay below market.

Obviously doesn’t relate to what they’re paying hourly employees-but they’ll pay for talent in the “right” places.

 

[jimmywilson69]

In Colorado, Vail starts at $15/hour. My stepdaughter works in Vail Village a few steps from the parking structure. Entry level jobs in the village start at $20 and most employers kick in at least a season pass. I doubt many employees at Vail are at the minimum $15/hour. Nobody is going to take a job that pays less than $20.

I don’t know anything about New Hampshire pay but that’s how Vail pays at their Colorado resorts. This isn’t a corporate wage rate.

I know in PA they are not starting at $15 at least not for all positions.

 

[Smellytele]

I know in PA they are not starting at $15 at least not for all positions.

So lower?

 

[jimmywilson69]

Yes I think $12-13

 

[crystalmountainskier]

Most people don’t work at ski resorts for money. They want a fun job and perks like a free season pass. Vail has eliminated the fun and the passes are so cheap you can work somewhere better and buy a pass.

 

[IceEidolon]

They are easily $3 under market rate for rookies and more for some full time ops positions in PA, compared to other resorts that are noted tightwads.

 

[machski]

I can throw shade at Vail for many things, but employment vaccination policy I cannot. As I understand the rules, they didn't really have a choice unless they wanted to gamble that the courts would stop the federal policy on vaccines for large employers over 100 workers. I believe vaccine or weekly testing will be required for those companies starting January 10th. So having this happen right during ski season, Vail's hand was kind of forced. Unless they have some exemptions I'm not aware of.

Pushed to Feb 8th or 9th by Biden with all the start/stop/start of this policy as it weaves through the courts. Very likely another stop hits prior to the new implementation date in Feb.

 

[Geoff]

Most people don’t work at ski resorts for money. They want a fun job and perks like a free season pass. Vail has eliminated the fun and the passes are so cheap you can work somewhere better and buy a pass.

Sure, but at the I-70 resorts, they have to pay enough so people can afford housing. A room in a vintage 1960s shared house in East Vail where the sun never shines is at least $1k per month assuming you could find one. People are getting pushed 45 minutes out to Gypsum because the telecommuters have snapped up all the housing paying premium prices. The housing situation in Gorham/Berlin NH or Penciltucky looks nothing like that.

 

[IceEidolon]

Maybe patrol or ski school or lifts works because it's a fun job in an environment they like. A lot of your critical positions (lift mechanics, many experienced paid patrollers and instructors, basically your whole Mtn Ops department) are skilled professionals or at least tradesmen, and they expect to be paid at minimum more than entry level fast food pays.