VAIL SUCKS

[Kingslug20]

These entry level jobs were originaly designed for kids entering the work force...that changed. Now adults are working them,2 sometimes 3 a week. This is causing a lot of the frustration. Used to be you could start st one of these jobs and if you were good you made your way up the line. Now if you stay too long at a job you end up making less than if you move around.
And we end up where we are now...
Thats my take on it.
Just looked out my window and it was snowing a bit..liking the new view!

 

[icecoast1]

Sounds like a logistical nightmare to roll out given how ski resorts operate.

Seems to be working just fine at other areas that do it, but given vails incompetence, i'm sure they wouldn't have been able to come up with a testing system for their employees either

 

[deadheadskier]

Seems to be working just fine at other areas that do it, but given vails incompetence, i'm sure they wouldn't have been able to come up with a testing system for their employees either

I'd be curious to:

1. which areas are doing the testing option
2. What percentage of their staff opted for testing vs vax
3. How much better are they staffed than Vail
4. What wages are they offering

 

[snoseek]

Quad down at crotched...30 min wait for the shitty double. Looks like they're comping day ticket people

 

[drjeff]

I'd be curious to:

1. which areas are doing the testing option
2. What percentage of their staff opted for testing vs vax
3. How much better are they staffed than Vail
4. What wages are they offering

DHS stop trying to take a rational, analytical approach to anything with even remote relevance to COVID policies!

Next thing you know, you'll be having to ban yourself from AZ for trying to ask vald questions that go against public health policies that we're all just supposed to take a one size fits all approach to blindly following!

 

[cdskier]

I'd be curious to:

1. which areas are doing the testing option
2. What percentage of their staff opted for testing vs vax
3. How much better are they staffed than Vail
4. What wages are they offering

Killington requires vaccination of their employees. MRG requires it. Sugarbush required it according to a local MRV newspaper article back in November (although I couldn't confirm that from their employment site). At the time of the article though, SB did say they already had a very high vaccine compliance rate among staff. So even if they removed that requirement if they were having problems filling jobs, it would still be a relatively small percentage of staff without the vaccine. SB even went a step further and for some customer-facing jobs, wasn't even allowing religious or other exemptions for the vaccine. Also no exemptions allowed if you wanted to stay in employee housing. I feel like point #4 above is more likely a bigger factor for Vail's staffing issues rather than the vax requirement.

 

[jaytrem]

Quad down at crotched...30 min wait for the shitty double. Looks like they're comping day ticket people

Before they opened today they announced that they were closing at 2:30. Later announced it is due to "scheduled lift maintenance". Make of it what you will.

 

[abc]

These entry level jobs were originaly designed for kids entering the work force...that changed.

There're aren't as many "entry level jobs" as it used to be due to automation. The jobs that can't be automated away are the kind that takes more skill and human attention. The kind that are too complex for a dumb machine. Or a dumb human!

Used to be you could start st one of these jobs and if you were good you made your way up the line.

Now if you stay too long at a job you end up making less than if you move around.

That's a bit of a misunderstanding. They only move up if they actually pay attention to the job and gain experience. There's no motivation for employer to pay more for the same work done. They only pay more if someone is doing a better job than the next kid that walks in.

Now adults are working them,2 sometimes 3 a week. This is causing a lot of the frustration.

I suspect that's more the consequence of not finding enough young ones to work those jobs. The hiring of older part timers are more a result rather than the cause.

 

[chuckstah]

Quad down at crotched...30 min wait for the shitty double. Looks like they're comping day ticket people

So it's December 28th and of the 4 Vail resorts in NH only Sunapee has lift served skiing from the summit. Experience of a lifetime right here in NH.

 

[crystalmountainskier]

Sure, but at the I-70 resorts, they have to pay enough so people can afford housing. A room in a vintage 1960s shared house in East Vail where the sun never shines is at least $1k per month assuming you could find one. People are getting pushed 45 minutes out to Gypsum because the telecommuters have snapped up all the housing paying premium prices. The housing situation in Gorham/Berlin NH or Penciltucky looks nothing like that.

Housing comes with the job in CO.

 

[deadheadskier]

Quad down at crotched...30 min wait for the shitty double. Looks like they're comping day ticket people

They didn't have the Valley Quad ready to go as a backup to the HSQ?

While better in recent years, the HSQ has had issues in the past.

That's quite the #Vailfail

 

[eatskisleep]

So it's December 28th and of the 4 Vail resorts in NH only Sunapee has lift served skiing from the summit. Experience of a lifetime right here in NH.

Pathetic.

 

[machski]

So it's December 28th and of the 4 Vail resorts in NH only Sunapee has lift served skiing from the summit. Experience of a lifetime right here in NH.

Perhaps not so ironically, the only Vail resort with Summit lift access in NH currently (with 2 HSQ options) is the only one not a former Peaks resort. We use to beat squarely on ASC for leaving it's resorts with tons of deferred maintenance passed onto the new owners. Just saying.....

 

[skiur]

Before they opened today they announced that they were closing at 2:30. Later announced it is due to "scheduled lift maintenance". Make of it what you will.

It's Xmas week and we are gonna schedule maintenance? If true they are morons for scheduling maintenance during Xmas week. If it was an excuse they are morons for not coming up with a better excuse!

 

[Edd]

Someone sent me this, supposedly from today at Attitash. Don’t know the guy tweeting but easy to believe.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1475857248798789632

 

[Dickc]

Well, I am going to go see how bad Vail sucks tomorrow when I drive up to Crotched and ski for a while. Web cams did not look TOO crowded today, and my NE Value pass is not blacked out for Crotched, Sunapee, Wildcat, or Attitash. Just the (snobby) Vermont areas.

Well, got on the lift about 9:20, and skkied until 11. At 11, the lift shut down. After about 15 minutes with three guys running around, up and down the lift access way, (one guy in a Sunapee jacket), they started the diesel and told everyone to slog over to the west lift. I went home. Checked at 1:30, and the Rocket was running, but was empty. Crotched shut down at 2:30 today for some reason.

 

[deadheadskier]

Perhaps not so ironically, the only Vail resort with Summit lift access in NH currently (with 2 HSQ options) is the only one not a former Peaks resort. We use to beat squarely on ASC for leaving it's resorts with tons of deferred maintenance passed onto the new owners. Just saying.....

If it were year 1 of ownership, I might throw some blame towards Peak. But we are in year 3. Vail gets to eat the whole FU sandwich

 

[MadKitty]

If it were year 1 of ownership, I might throw some blame towards Peak. But we are in year 3. Vail gets to eat the whole FU sandwich

Totally. Although Sunapee is open to the summit their snowmaking is embarrassing compared to what they produced before vail. Being next door to ragged makes realizing that easy.

 

[jaytrem]

Starting to think some NH kids picked on Rob Katz when he was in college.

 

[PAabe]

Grocery store by me starts at $16 and is pretty chill, Vail starts at $12 or less, they are not paying market rate and it's not like people are going to spend their winter renting a house in central Pennsylvania so that they can ski Liberty and work for Vail