Smellytele
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Cancer procedures are elective?
Also it’s “I couldn’t care less”. If you could care less then it means you care.
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VAIL SUCKS
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Also it’s “I couldn’t care less”. If you could care less then it means you care.
How about we all just give up on the vaccine talk any further. After two years, that horse is dried up super glue at this point. No one is going to change their opinion.
There is no 20 year old healthy enough to be a snowmaker clogging up a hospital bed from covid. There was a bunch of people in the er this last weekend from ski accidents because vail hasn’t made snow and can’t maintain their resorts at memorial Hospital in North Conway. How does a vaccine mandate for employees at a ski area make any difference besides making it harder to find employees?
drjeff
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COVID-19 Reporting
The COVID-19 Dashboard includes data on city/town COVID-19 activity, confirmed and probable cases of COVID-19, confirmed and probable deaths related to COVID-19, and the demographic characteristics of cases and deaths.
Please feel free to correct me if I am off-base on this.
Above is the current data from Mass.gov.
The average age for Covid fatalities is currently 74 (an age demographic with a VERY HIGH vaccinated and often boosted rate)The most new cases (and some of the least likely to have significant side effects is the 20-29 age demographic.
New cases, primarily Omicron it seems, appear now to be falling off of its peak spike 7-10 days ago.
Not all hospitalizations are purely due to Covid, as many, across all age demographics are people hospitalized for other reasons and find out they have Covid, but weren't aware that they had Covid when tested upon admission.
Staffing, just like with so many other types of businesses, is an issue, some due to positive Covid tests and others due to failure to comply with employee vaccination mandates. General Covid fatigue among Frontline Healthcare workers is a factor as well.
Many ER crowding situations can often have a component based in people who realistically don't need to be in the ER for symptoms they think may (or may not) be attributed to Covid and they can't find a test to confirm it or not. Arguably as Omicron ramped up and it became apparent that it's affects were quite mild for most, public health officials and the media made this Omicron hysteria worse than it probably needed to be, thus over taxing many ER's the last roughly month. There certainly are still Delta cases out there, and those seem to be much more likely to be associated with the more severe side effects that may end up requiring hospitalization.
Most hospitals are "designed" to operate with a daily bed census in the 70-80% to maintain profitability.
Intuitively with the big spike in new cases with the Omicron wave one would expect to see/have seen a much greater spike in hospitalizations than we have seen, if Omicron did indeed have more virulence than it does.
The vaccinated do indeed fair better than the non vaccinated. It certainly can be debated how much affect/benefit the boosters have above and beyond the initial "fully vaccinated" status for reduction of severe side effects, especially for those say age 50 and below with limited to no co-morbidities. Throughout this entire pandemic the greatest number of deaths have been amongst those over 70 with an average of 4 or more co-morbities.
As someone who has a good friend who is currently being staged at Dana Farber for their both surgical and post surgical chemo treatments, I fully grasp the importance of what having to postpone procedures can mean
thebigo
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Crotched is closed two days a week with only three days of night skiing and no midnight madness due to staffing. Pats opened more than three weeks before crotched and is currently operating something around 30 hours more per week than crotched. I got no idea what percentage of Vail's staffing issues are due to mandates but comparing crotched to pats this year does not verify Vail's approach.
drjeff
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One of my regular ski friends, who's an OB/GYN on Long Island, said that over the last month or so that roughly 2/3rds of her deliveries have been from Covid positive Mom's
I fully get that the immune system status of a patient undergoing chemo for cancer treatment is likely going to be much different than of someone giving birth.
Given that the most likely today to be properly wearing an actual fit tested N95 is our frontline healthcare workers, who if they're still working in most facilities these days are vaccinated, the risk to the healthcare worker and patient are about as minimized as you can get, while still providing needed care
abc
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abc
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You'll love it! I did and never have to read his garbage!!!
abc
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Nobody is going to change their position on vaccination. It's also quite clear vaccine mandate is making the labor shortage worse. But that's being used as excuse for Vail's failing. That, makes Vail haters blood boil!
Well, not the anti-vaccine people. They're perfectly willing to accept Vail's poor performance. They're still under the illusion Vail will do great if only the vaccine mandate hasn't been adopted.
It's those who're against vaccine mandate that are keeping on talking about vaccination!
(Funny how many other businesses continue to operate reasonably well even WITH vaccine mandate?)
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So I take it you disagree with my suggestion and really still want to talk about vaccines?
Bostonian
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Regarding cancer procedures being canceled -
“The situation is so bad that it’s forcing hospital administrators to make heartbreaking choices to limit all but the most urgent surgeries and procedures. This extends even to some cancer surgeries, forcing doctors to weigh which tumors are growing faster and which slow enough to postpone care.
Dr. Ron Walls, Mass General Brigham’s chief operating officer, said hospitals are now fielding calls from patients “begging” to be put back on the list for surgery.”
Which is from 1/14’s globe:
Hospitals postponing thousands of surgeries amid onslaught of COVID and other patients - The Boston Globe
The situation is so bad that it’s forcing hospital administrators to make heartbreaking choices to limit all but the most urgent surgeries and procedures.
jimmywilson69
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Can we stay on point here please?
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funny how you're subtly changing your tone now that the osha mandate you supported was found unconstitutional. now omicron is blowing the lid off the whole thing. but you had no skin in the game, so what do you care? your job wasn't on the line.
vail will be on the wrong side of history. fortunately we had other nh ski areas to go to that didn't want to dig into our medical history and control what was going into our bodies. they treat their employees better. happy employees give their customers a better product.
Yeah, you got me Jon. The OSHA decision turned me
No, I just see the obvious in that people have their minds made up and after two years of discussion it's getting pretty boring to see people continue to go round and round. Especially annoying are people like yourself who apparently signed up to a skiing forum with the only purpose of cramming their vaccine views down other's throats.
We get it Jon. You think Vail sucks because of their vaccine mandate. Are you capable of talking about something else Vail sucks about?
Bostonian
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On a more positive note, looks like Wildcat finally opened Upper Catapult and Upper Wildcat.
Bostonian
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Nobody is digging into your medical history. A simple card looking to see if you’re vaccinated or not isn’t the same as going into your Electronic Medical Record. Lighten up Francis.
Ignore is basically Nah Nah I can’t hear you, That’s what little kids do. How do you know You’re right if you only listen to one side. I think the bluAnon people are just as crazy as the anti-vaxxers. As always the truth is somewhere in the middle
I’m waiting for my answer Bostonian, what does the VAX mandate do for the Ski area besides making it harder To find employees?
I’m waiting for my answer Bostonian, what does the VAX mandate do for the Ski area besides making it harder To find employees?
You do realize that you are not going to change Bostonian's opinions and he isn't going to change yours yes?
Bostonian
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How cute, bluanon, so damn original.
And perhaps if you read my answer earlier, you would see that a vax mandate, reduces the influx of critically sick individuals overwhelming the hospitals in the area. I get it you’re a “my freedom and my rights” guy … so here is the open market - you don’t like that Vail has a vax mandate, take your $$$ elsewhere.
Geoff
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To deflect away from VaxxWarz:
Mike Barnicle had it right. This was a Boston Globe OpEd and my favorite New Hampshire slam.
So Vail has no interest in the North Conway ski areas. They’re Arkansas with snow. LOL. Sunapee is at least on the way to Vermont and is a Boston day trip area. I drove past it thousands of times headed to Vermont and just skied it for the first time this year. Ditto Crotched as a Boston day trip ski area like the mighty Wa-Wachusett.
Mike Barnicle had it right. This was a Boston Globe OpEd and my favorite New Hampshire slam.
Vermont vs. New Hampshire
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So Vail has no interest in the North Conway ski areas. They’re Arkansas with snow. LOL. Sunapee is at least on the way to Vermont and is a Boston day trip area. I drove past it thousands of times headed to Vermont and just skied it for the first time this year. Ditto Crotched as a Boston day trip ski area like the mighty Wa-Wachusett.
