VAIL SUCKS

[thetrailboss]

No one will do major improvements this summer, it will take five years to recover from this, although in their last earnings conference call, they made it sound like they been through this in 08 and expanded after that and if they get a call would consider expanding again, depending on the ski resort, my gut tells me alterra is in worse shape since they are what 3 years old, all that debt, if they survive vail will also, along with boyne and powder.

This is worse than 2008. Pandemic stretching over two seasons AND bad weather on both coasts.

Alterra is private so we have no idea. That said, they despite their crazy Ikon sales, they did not have cash to fix their snowmaking system at Solitude in a timely fashion and are WAY behind there in terms of terrain.

And I hate to see anyone go out of business, but it would not hurt my feelings of Ikon disappeared. It is ruining the ski experience out here.

 

[icecoast1]

This is worse than 2008. Pandemic stretching over two seasons AND bad weather on both coasts.

They also took on a boatload of debt going into all of this by buying Peak last fall. Were they in a similar financial position going into 08? It may be an apples to oranges comparison and trying to put lipstick on a pig on Vails part... this could be the perfect storm for them

 

[FBGM]

I was thinking of a good analogy for those bitching about attitash/wildcat like myself for those that don’t understand the vail sucks. Were you ever good friends with a smart, sexy girl that was a lot of fun. Then she starts dating a douchebag that treats her like shit. It makes you sad to see, She could have done so much better. Now when you see her at the supermarket she has a sad dejected look on her face. It sucks.
That just happened to my beloved Mountains I have skiing on since I was a little kid. It makEs you sick to ur stomach to see

If that said girl is looking to make some mistakes to make said guy jealous....heyyy babbyyyy

 

[thetrailboss]

They also took on a boatload of debt going into all of this by buying Peak last fall. Were they in a similar financial position going into 08? It may be an apples to oranges comparison and trying to put lipstick on a pig on Vails part... this could be the perfect storm for them

They are looking to raise $500 mill in capital for general operations. What does that tell you?

 

[kingslug]

And skier visits in 2017 hit almost 60 million..Best in a loooong time..but this pandemic wiped out any good that did.

 

[snoseek]

Other ski blogs, Kirkwood skiers don’t want any changes at Kirkwood, and you want the place modernize, for the record never been to Kirkwood have no idea what’s it like, just interesting how some want Change and others don’t, it’s sure is interesting watching that dynamic at play.

Prices went up, ski season drastically shortened especially in the spring and long time locals were sent packing. Meanwhile the lift situation needs to be addressed. Coming to a mountain near you. Yeah they suck hard outside of the cash cows.

 

[thetrailboss]

Prices went up, ski season drastically shortened especially in the spring and long time locals were sent packing. Meanwhile the lift situation needs to be addressed. Coming to a mountain near you. Yeah they suck hard outside of the cash cows.

Same thing at Park City....

 

[FBGM]

Same thing at Park City....

The people of Park City hate Vail. Well, those that didn’t just move here from LA or Texas. We have hated Vail since day 1.

 

[abc]

Prices went up, ski season drastically shortened especially in the spring and long time locals were sent packing. Meanwhile the lift situation needs to be addressed. Coming to a mountain near you. Yeah they suck hard outside of the cash cows.

Same thing at Park City....

No way you can say Park City is "outside of the cash cow"!

PC is one of their cash cows!

 

[RichT]

My turn to vent,
Skied at Hunter today, super long lift lines, like it was the 80's again! F Lift not spinning, maybe 1/3 open but lift ticket sales are like it was 3/4 open!!! No F but they open the Northside lift for ONE trail.
OK I did see later that the F had a mechanical problem, how did I know? By seeing mechanics working on the tower, not a single tweet, text or email!
NO COMMUNICATION what so ever! Even though when you make a reservation there's options for text and email msg. Wouldn't be great to get a snow report each morning sent to me, like years past? Gee what would that take a click of a mouse?
So many new faces operating the mountain now, where did the employees that worked there for years go? (Bellayre?) Why?

HEY VAIL YOU SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[thetrailboss]

The people of Park City hate Vail. Well, those that didn’t just move here from LA or Texas. We have hated Vail since day 1.

Yep.

 

[thetrailboss]

No way you can say Park City is "outside of the cash cow"!

PC is one of their cash cows!

PCMR is a cash cow, but man they are hurting this year in terms of terrain and snow.....

16% of terrain is open.

https://www.parkcitymountain.com/the-mountain/mountain-conditions/terrain-and-lift-status.aspx

 

[snoseek]

No way you can say Park City is "outside of the cash cow"!

PC is one of their cash cows!

You're right I was mostly comparing to vermont areas which seem to be running better overall.

Maybe nh areas or at least wildcat will be the first to sell off if it ever comes to that.

 

[gmcunni]

I skied Breckenridge yesterday, it didn't suck.

 

[Cobbold]

Just checked solitud, they are 52 out of 82, what is that 60 percent, park city is 16 percent, man never seen bad snow conditions coast to coast

 

[Cobbold]

Even stevens pass ski Mtn is only 70 percent open

 

[thetrailboss]

Just checked solitud, they are 52 out of 82, what is that 60 percent, park city is 16 percent, man never seen bad snow conditions coast to coast

Solitude has that much open? I drove by Saturday and it was pretty grim.

 

[Tonyr]

I'm at Beaver Creek right now it's pretty crowded here including the hotel I'm in and the surrounding restaurants. Vail is certainly not having a banner year this season but it may not be as bad as you'd think. They had one of their best summers ever demand wise.

 

[Cobbold]

My

I'm at Beaver Creek right now it's pretty crowded here including the hotel I'm in and the surrounding restaurants. Vail is certainly not having a banner year this season but it may not be as bad as you'd think. They had one of their best summers ever demand wise.

My guess vail is doing ok on everything but the food and beverage at the lodges, ie lunchtime, beers after skiing,

 

[FBGM]

Just checked solitud, they are 52 out of 82, what is that 60 percent, park city is 16 percent, man never seen bad snow conditions coast to coast

I bet 50% of what is open at Soli is damn thin. Like rock skis thin.

Alta last week was actually fine. They had like 60% open and most open was decent.

PC has got half, if that of snow of those two I mentioned. Pretty much groomers only right now.

We keep getting snow, but just little storms. 3” here. 4” there. Biggest snowfall at my house this year is 9”. I have maybe 2’ base in my backyard. This time last year and normal years past I was digging out my mailbox just to be able to get mail...