VAIL SUCKS

[deadheadskier]

I'm mainly referring to Walmart being sparsely staffed at many locations and often not caring too much about the customer experience because they don't have competition. You visit one up in say Lincoln, ME and the staffing is pretty poor. And many locals besmirch them and long for the days of locally owned businesses that cared more about their customers. But yes at least they operate.

 

[xlr8r]

I am another one looking at other options next year. As poor as Wildcat and Attitash are being run, and with the VT travel restrictions, it looks like almost all of my skiing this season will consist of day trips to Sunapee and Crotched. And for the most part Sunapee and Crotched have gotten their sh*t together now after a rough first week, both have about half their terrain open now.

I have relatives that recently bought a place in the MWV, and would be up there many weekends this year if not for Covid. But even without Covid there is no reason to go up there for what Attitash and Wildcat are offering so far. I know I am in the minority but actually like Attitash a lot when it is fully open. Next year I will be seriously looking at Ikon Base or White Mountain Superpass. But I also don't want to be the one person that buys another pass if all my relatives buy Epic again. The real advantage of the Epic over those two is the fact that Sunapee and Crotched are much easier day trip destinations from metro Boston. But I will probably be pretty bored with Sunapee and Crotched by the end of this season.

 

[McFatt]

Holy Moly, just got done with 3 runs at wildcat. Snow wasn’t too bad, but waaaaaaay too many people for 1 trail. Both my kids got hit by other skiers in the way down. Had to bail for safety concerns. Can’t believe they are not making any snow there right now, it’s only 28degrees. Drove down to Attitash and it was like a zombie apocalypse around the base area. Stupid long lift lines at the summit triple and beginner lifts. We need 3 feet of snow up here ASAP.

 

[McFatt]

Holy Moly, just got done with 3 runs at wildcat. Snow wasn’t too bad, but waaaaaaay too many people for 1 trail. Both my kids got hit by other skiers in the way down. Had to bail for safety concerns. Can’t believe they are not making any snow there right now, it’s only 28degrees. Drove down to Attitash and it was like a zombie apocalypse around the base area. Stupid long lift lines at the summit triple and beginner lifts. We need 3 feet of snow up here ASAP.

Oh, and the wildcat lift opened an hour late today because of an “electrical problem”. SMH Vail Sucks

 

[Cobbold]

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Holy Moly, just got done with 3 runs at wildcat. Snow wasn’t too bad, but waaaaaaay too many people for 1 trail. Both my kids got hit by other skiers in the way down. Had to bail for safety concerns. Can’t believe they are not making any snow there right now, it’s only 28degrees. Drove down to Attitash and it was like a zombie apocalypse around the base area. Stupid long lift lines at the summit triple and beginner lifts. We need 3 feet of snow up here ASAP.

wonder if the problems at attitash and wildcat are due to the new gms they hired and they are both over their heads, doesn’t seem like the other vail resorts in the East are having this many problems, even Hunter has half their lifts and 1/3 of the trails open

 

[abc]

wonder if the problems at attitash and wildcat are due to the new gms they hired and they are both over their heads

IF that being the reason, one wonders what Vail was using as a criteria in hiring new GMs. The ones they can pay the least?

 

[Mainer]

I was thinking of a good analogy for those bitching about attitash/wildcat like myself for those that don’t understand the vail sucks. Were you ever good friends with a smart, sexy girl that was a lot of fun. Then she starts dating a douchebag that treats her like shit. It makes you sad to see, She could have done so much better. Now when you see her at the supermarket she has a sad dejected look on her face. It sucks.
That just happened to my beloved Mountains I have skiing on since I was a little kid. It makEs you sick to ur stomach to see

 

[icecoast1]

IF that being the reason, one wonders what Vail was using as a criteria in hiring new GMs. The ones they can pay the least?

Probably the same as most other corporate positions, the ones who kiss the most ass, not always the most qualified

 

[snoseek]

After seeing first hand how things went after the kirkwood takeover none of this surprises me at all. Also if you're looking for improvements what have they done on mountain at kirkwood over the past decade?

 

[Mainer]

I’m not looking for improvements, at least one beginner/intermediate trail at wildcat for family Christmas vacation. More then one trail open On the whole mtn during Christmas week. At attitash connecting the two mountains so you can ski the one trail on each side without taking boots off would be nice. Having more then one green trail That’s 200 yards open for family Christmas week. They have great snowmaking at attitash This whole thing is bizarre. Every other mountain around has 4 times the amount open.

 

[Cobbold]

After seeing first hand how things went after the kirkwood takeover none of this surprises me at all. Also if you're looking for improvements what have they done on mountain at kirkwood over the past decade?

Other ski blogs, Kirkwood skiers don’t want any changes at Kirkwood, and you want the place modernize, for the record never been to Kirkwood have no idea what’s it like, just interesting how some want Change and others don’t, it’s sure is interesting watching that dynamic at play.

 

[thetrailboss]

I was thinking of a good analogy for those bitching about attitash/wildcat like myself for those that don’t understand the vail sucks. Were you ever good friends with a smart, sexy girl that was a lot of fun. Then she starts dating a douchebag that treats her like shit. It makes you sad to see, She could have done so much better. Now when you see her at the supermarket she has a sad dejected look on her face. It sucks.
That just happened to my beloved Mountains I have skiing on since I was a little kid. It makEs you sick to ur stomach to see

Huh? That example seems a little too specific....

 

[thetrailboss]

How is Stowe doing these days?

 

[thetrailboss]

After seeing first hand how things went after the kirkwood takeover none of this surprises me at all. Also if you're looking for improvements what have they done on mountain at kirkwood over the past decade?

I don’t think there will be any improvements at any Vail properties this summer. I think they are in survival mode.

 

[Cobbold]

Probably the same as most other corporate positions, the ones who kiss the most ass, not always the most qualified

My guess with all the peak resort additions they ran out of talent that was ready to run a ski area, and it’s showing up in attitash and wildcat. Wonder if they should have kept the Mt snow gm and sent him to attitash/ wildcat? When vail took over peak resorts almost immediately they bounced 2 or 3 gms at the Midwestern resorts, my guess it’s the vail way or the highway

 

[Mainer]

I did learn that if attitash/wildcat aren’t sold out with what they have open now, I am never skiing if it is ever sold out.

 

[Cobbold]

The

How is Stowe doing these days?

their website says 11/12 lifts open, 28 percent of terrain open

 

[thetrailboss]

My guess with all the peak resort additions they ran out of talent that was ready to run a ski area, and it’s showing up in attitash and wildcat. Wonder if they should have kept the Mt snow gm and sent him to attitash/ wildcat? When vail took over peak resorts almost immediately they bounced 2 or 3 gms at the Midwestern resorts, my guess it’s the vail way or the highway

Maybe Rob Katz can explain what happened on the next episode of his ego-stroking podcast.

 

[thetrailboss]

The

their website says 11/12 lifts open, 28 percent of terrain open

That doesn’t seem too bad all things considered

 

[Cobbold]

I don’t think there will be any improvements at any Vail properties this summer. I think they are in survival mode.

No one will do major improvements this summer, it will take five years to recover from this, although in their last earnings conference call, they made it sound like they been through this in 08 and expanded after that and if they get a call would consider expanding again, depending on the ski resort, my gut tells me alterra is in worse shape since they are what 3 years old, all that debt, if they survive vail will also, along with boyne and powder.