Harvey
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VAIL SUCKS
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Yes, it is ~$67. But it still requires you to plan in advanced and buy the day pass before they stop selling them. $67 is the lowest price point for the epic day pass (that's a restricted version not valid at all resorts and not valid on holidays). They should have an even lower tier for the feeder hills. $67 to Stowe is not bad at all. $67 to ski an area in the Poconos or southern PA sucks though relatively speaking.
jimmywilson69
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not sure at this point. I know a buddy pass for my son was $57 1/8. Walk up is stupid, $79 at Roundtop. That price is static.
abc
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Clearly you consider your flat land home base as the "majority of skiing public"?
Harvey
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What percentage of revenue is locals vs flatlanders? I always assumed it was all about weekends and holidays.Clearly you consider your flat land home base as the "majority of skiing public"?
Is there data to the contrary?
Kingslug20
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Lot of locals at Stowe and SB..
I'm one of them now...
I'm one of them now...
RISkier
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Well, it's been a great adventure but initially there are both physical and psychological barriers. I recall that about our 4th or 5th day we were getting ready and the boots went on a lot faster, walking in them became much easier, we'd learned how to carry skis, poles, etc. The views of the lakes from Gunstock or Sunapee are very rewarding. I think we also kind of lucked out. We went to Stowe and at the time they had a vacation rewards program. Buy a 3+ day ticket and you could choose a bonus, one of which was a group lesson. We got a PSIA level III the first day, and the 2nd day, and the 3rd day. At the end of the 3rd day he said he was stopping at Horn and we should join him if we liked. We became friends and ended up doing a couple of Utah trips with him and some other folks from Stowe. We've done 3 ski trips to Austria, several trips to Utah, a couple of trips to CO. It's really made winter something to look forward to rather than dread. At this point I'll never become a great skier, I have some pretty significant back issues that aren't going away. But I comfortably ski stuff I would never have thought I would when we started. My wife is even a certified level I instructor. She is really into skiing. So I'd say it's very rewarding if you get past the initial hump, and I think a single 2 hour lesson just isn't enough for most folks like me when I started. I'd love to see places offering affordable multi-day packages and really try to help folks get past that first day or two.
abc
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I'm not "local" to a big hill. But I'm "local" to a feeder in the low land. And the Cats are reasonably day-trip-able.
Had I be interested in "trying" skiing, I have options without involving much travel.
It's all about weekends and holidays alright. But that doesn't equate travel.
Where I live is also densely populated. So I see myself a lot more representative of "majority of ski public" than Brooklynites or Long Islanders.
Harvey
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OK so in your mind there are locals, nearby flatlanders and far off flatlanders.
What's the cutoff?
What's the cutoff?
Smellytele
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Well you will never be a local in local eyes. You are a transplant.
abc
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Cutoff for what?
Kingslug20
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Ill take transplant...
Smellytele
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the cutoff for distance being local, nearby flatlander and far off flatlander from a ski mountain
jimmywilson69
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which is funny because most of the "locals" are transplants...
BenedictGomez
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That's a problem. If you stop the M&A you lose the ability to juice earnings with revenue from bolt-on acquisitions simultaneous to synergistic cost cuts. Not to mention, without perma-M&A to cloud the view, analysts would get a clearer & more accurate view of same store & YoY comps. Nah, cant stop wont stop (until you have to stop).
BenedictGomez
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Because Wall Street analysts aren't putting out 10 year business models, they're putting out 1 year price targets.
But I agree with the assessment that Vail/Alterra are killing the future of skiing by decreasing the likelihood of new skiers, and I've believed that since day 1, but I've also thought that this will take a LONG time for people to visualize in the data, because all you're seeing now is massive pass sales, but not generally from beginner skiers.
BenedictGomez
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I'm the exact opposite, I practically grab their arm & drag them to the mountain. I'll bring it up the next time I see them that they mentioned it. I basically turn into a Ski Jehovah.
I'd still say there's nowhere near enough locals to actually make the mountains profitable though...they need the weekend crowds.
Boxtop Willie
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In Vermont the difference between local and flatlander/transplant is measured in generations.
BenedictGomez
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Not a lot of revenue from locals at Stowe and SB percentage-wise, despite what Stowe and SB locals surely believe.
