Harvey
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What do the Native Americans think?
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VAIL SUCKS
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Harvey
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This is what I was trying to say.
Smellytele
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Only locals in their minds.
abc
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The difference between local and "far off" flatlanders are pretty easy to tell. If you need to pay lodging to ski even a single day, you're FAR OFF!
Most "locals" are within an hour of their "home mountain" (or home mountainS).
The nearby flatlander are anything in between those two, which is a more fuzzy definition. And you maybe a local to the bump you go to after work. But a far off flatlander to Stowe or Sugarloaf.
I think if you don't have a mountain, however small, within an hour of your main or secondary home, you're a far off flatlander. That's when it become "time consuming and costly" to learn to ski, and then practice with any kind of regularity.
That's also when I question if they are "majority of skiing public".
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BenedictGomez
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After living in Vermont for 6 years I realized I wouldn't be a local if I lived there for 36 years. So I married a Vermont girl and stole her away.
Smellytele
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Their relatives transplanted from somewhere as well.
Locals have to have grownup in the area. I have lived in the same town for over 20 years but I am not a local. My kids who grew up here are locals.
BenedictGomez
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Now I get why I see all those, Go Back To The Bering Strait signs when I'm up there.
Harvey
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I can see Gore from the front porch of our camp. No second homes allowed or....?
At Gore, no way locals would consider people from Saratoga Springs, or Glens Falls locals. That's 50 miles.
We're going to build something (beyond our camp) within a few miles of Gore in 2-3 years. I don't care less if I become a local before I die. After 30 years of skiing there, we've certainly got friends who will welcome us.
Hell I've live in the same town in NJ since 1988 and I'm not considered local here. Whatev.
Your construct seems like a bit of BS to fit your narrative. If you ski 100 days, I recant all.
Harvey
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I like this definition, but I find that places I ski don't stick to that.
trackbiker
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I get that. I don't think that was Katz's original plan but now that he has turned over the CEO position to Kirsten Algorithm I think it's going to be Pump & Dump and he'll walk away with $millions leaving others holding the bag and taking the blame. But it doesn't doesn't bode well for the future of skiing never mind Vail Resorts.
BenedictGomez
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The bolded above was Katz's original plan.
He worked at a hedge fund for about 15 years prior to Vail, he knew exactly what he was doing.
abc
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Whether the "true locals" consider others as local or not is irrelevant. They ARE from the skiing perspective. They roll out of bed and go skiing when they feel like it. They look out their window to see if it's pissing hot rain and go back to sleep.
A flatlander had to make lodging reservation and drive up hoping the mountain isn't a skating ring. Or they lose their hotel money.
Epic pass is making skiing itself "affordable". But for the flatlanders, the lift ticket isn't the only expense. Once the flatlanders figured out the cost of the "free skiing days", they may not renew.
pinion
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I can’t speak to other areas but in the MWV hotel rooms and rental units outnumber local dwellings 2 to 1. Add 2nd homes and you’re talking 3 to 1 ratio. Lots of us flatlanders at those mountains.
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trackbiker
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Didn't realize that. I thought he came up through the ski resort business. Yep. Makes perfect sense that was the plan all along. And why they don't pay competitive wages, make snow, or run lifts. They make a lot of noise over new lifts. But then new lifts are assets you can leverage. Snowmaking and wages are just expenses that hurt the bottom line.
jimmywilson69
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yep Katz is a faker, he probably doesn't ski on power days, and when he does ski its in jeans and a starter jacket. Cowboys starter jacket no less...
trackbiker
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No. I don't think he's a Starter Jacket guy. More like the guy with the most expensive gear who never hits the the slopes. Hangs out in the lodge and the bar and talks a good story but couldn't make it down the bunny slope.
jimmywilson69
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that's how he is now, but I bet he skied in a Cowboys Jacket back in the day while slide slipping down steep slopes
IceEidolon
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Skiing local and community local are two very different words that happen to be spelled the same. If you're riding a mountain after work, you're local to that mountain. IMO if you're within about an hour drive, you're a local skier - but less so if you drive past other mountains on the way up.
Flatlanders IMO are coming from more than an hour away AND aren't driving past another option to get to their preferred hill - that is to say if you're local to another mountain, you aren't a flatlander even if you aren't skiing at your usual hill.
Super Flatlanders live far enough away from a mountain that they can't easily day trip it - so somewhere above two and a half hours each way. They're in an area where the "ski culture" such as it is and what there is of it, is youth group trips or flying/driving for one weekend or holiday a year, and most people aren't part of the ski culture.
Whereas local/transplant varies but locals usually have a longer timeframe in mind than the transplants do.
Edit - second homes and vacation homes - if your tax forms aren't kept there, it's not enough to count as 'local'. Add your drive time from your primary residence. Same deal for nomads, van lifers, and long term rentals.
Flatlanders IMO are coming from more than an hour away AND aren't driving past another option to get to their preferred hill - that is to say if you're local to another mountain, you aren't a flatlander even if you aren't skiing at your usual hill.
Super Flatlanders live far enough away from a mountain that they can't easily day trip it - so somewhere above two and a half hours each way. They're in an area where the "ski culture" such as it is and what there is of it, is youth group trips or flying/driving for one weekend or holiday a year, and most people aren't part of the ski culture.
Whereas local/transplant varies but locals usually have a longer timeframe in mind than the transplants do.
Edit - second homes and vacation homes - if your tax forms aren't kept there, it's not enough to count as 'local'. Add your drive time from your primary residence. Same deal for nomads, van lifers, and long term rentals.
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He did ski Hunter growing up...so it is certainly plausible.
jimmywilson69
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so even worse, he knows how awesome hunter CAN be... What a dick...
