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thetrailboss

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Remember that when Vail bought Stowe, they only got the mountain operations. AIG still holds on to the Spruce Peak development, and a lot of land around Tollhouse.

It’s possible Vail only bought 55% of the operations.
That's what I thinking regarding the Andermatt deal. Sounds like that may not be the case.
 

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Here is my reading of the press release.

Vail Resorts, Inc. ("Vail Resorts") is acquiring a 55-percent ownership stake in Andermatt-Sedrun Sport AG.
ASA will retain a 40-percent ownership stake in Andermatt-Sedrun Sport AG

Pre-transaction: ASA (The Andermatt Swiss Alps Group) also owns Andermatt-Sedrun Sport AG with its cableways, the catering brand Mountain Food, the Swiss Snowsports School Andermatt, an 18-hole, par-72 championship golf course, and the Andermatt Concert Hall.
Expected EBITDA is CHF 5 million in its fiscal year ending July 31, 2024 (first full year post transaction)

So they bought the majority stake in ski ops, food, golf, and concert hall. But not the real estate and hotel stuff.
 

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Here is my reading of the press release.

Vail Resorts, Inc. ("Vail Resorts") is acquiring a 55-percent ownership stake in Andermatt-Sedrun Sport AG.
ASA will retain a 40-percent ownership stake in Andermatt-Sedrun Sport AG

Pre-transaction: ASA (The Andermatt Swiss Alps Group) also owns Andermatt-Sedrun Sport AG with its cableways, the catering brand Mountain Food, the Swiss Snowsports School Andermatt, an 18-hole, par-72 championship golf course, and the Andermatt Concert Hall.
Expected EBITDA is CHF 5 million in its fiscal year ending July 31, 2024 (first full year post transaction)

So they bought the majority stake in ski ops, food, golf, and concert hall. But not the real estate and hotel stuff.
That makes sense. And lines up with the valuations.
 

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Here is my reading of the press release.

Vail Resorts, Inc. ("Vail Resorts") is acquiring a 55-percent ownership stake in Andermatt-Sedrun Sport AG.
ASA will retain a 40-percent ownership stake in Andermatt-Sedrun Sport AG

Pre-transaction: ASA (The Andermatt Swiss Alps Group) also owns Andermatt-Sedrun Sport AG with its cableways, the catering brand Mountain Food, the Swiss Snowsports School Andermatt, an 18-hole, par-72 championship golf course, and the Andermatt Concert Hall.
Expected EBITDA is CHF 5 million in its fiscal year ending July 31, 2024 (first full year post transaction)

So they bought the majority stake in ski ops, food, golf, and concert hall. But not the real estate and hotel stuff.
Who's got the last 5%?
 

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If I had to guess, I would say some local investors.

Gotta to remember that in Europe, some of the lifts at a resort are owned by individuals or small groups of investors, not the resort itself and those owners get a fee for each rider.

That may account for some of that 5% as well
 

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i know this is a joke about vail, but i cant help but point out that swiss neutrality isn't a thing to be lauded. it was basically an excuse for them to just look the other way when the nazis were marauding thru europe.
Who was talking about Swiss neutrality during WW2?

You are such a fucking buzzkill.
 

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i know this is a joke about vail, but i cant help but point out that swiss neutrality isn't a thing to be lauded. it was basically an excuse for them to just look the other way when the nazis were marauding thru europe.
What difference would it have made?

France, Holland and Belgium didn't "look the other way"... What happened to the Jews living in Holland and France at the time?
 

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The Swiss are going to hate Vail when the American Epic crowds invade their country.
Perspective... there are about 190 million skiers/riders in Europe. There are about 50 million who call themselves skiers/riders in the US (Doesn't mean they're active skiers/riders every year, they just call themselves skiers/riders). About 2 million Epic Passes/pass products were sold last year. While some will travel to Europe to use their Epic's next season, guessing it won't make much of a blip on the radar volume wise at Andermatt next season if one logically thinks about it
 

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Anyone ever ski there? How is it?
As I said, I rode the Glacier Express through it in 2017. Like other European areas, it is made up of different "areas" surrounding the town. The eastern end, which we traversed on the train, has a lot of newer lifts and open terrain. The town is nice--about an hour or so east of Zermatt. It is in between St. Moritz and Zermatt. Nice area but from what I saw not as visited as other areas.
 

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Here's a map. Looks like they merged with Disentis, which is further east. Andermatt, proper, is on the far left of this map. The orange dotted line is the RhB/MGB rail line (the Glacier Express)
 

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