VAIL SUCKS

[machski]

These anecdotal examples like yours or Mick Jagger getting heart surgery in NYC only demonstrate that if you have the means, yes there's excellent healthcare available here. You and I are not Mick Jagger.

They do nothing to look at overall cost and results for a population, both of which the US score very poorly on; especially as the wealthiest nation on earth. That's data that matters.

Do 41% of Canadians have medical debt like we do here? Nope. 17.1%, which happens to be second worst in the world. We are number one there by a wide margin.

Look, not saying the affordability is great in this country, depends who you are I guess. The current system happens to work great for me but I understand my healthcare plan is not normal in the country. What I fear going universal is waiting lists to get in and see a specialist, being triaged down the list. Cost containment would almost require something like this.

 

[2Planker]

Yet another ugly vacation week with lots of pissed off customers in nh.

And the Cat aint much better. Only 3-4 trails open and they’rebpreparing for Attitash overflow this weekend.
Think I’ll take Sat/Sun off and reevaluate on Monday

 

[gittist]

That or hospitals just cutting POs to the vendors they always worked with because that's the path of least resistance and what's easy vs evaluating new technologies that are better and perhaps cheaper.

Sounds familiar...

 

[thetrailboss]

Looks like PC Ski Patrol and Vail will attempt a mediation.

Park City Patrol and Vail Resorts Agree to Mediation Following Union S

SAM Magazine—Park City, Utah, Dec. 18, 2024—Vail Resorts and union representatives for the Park City Professional Ski Patrol Association (PCPSPA) have agre

www.saminfo.com

 

[machski]

And the Cat aint much better. Only 3-4 trails open and they’rebpreparing for Attitash overflow this weekend.
Think I’ll take Sat/Sun off and reevaluate on Monday

Wow, Atti-Cat way behind the game again, even behind it's Southern sister NH resort. What are they doing all Summer at Attitash??? Not like they offer anything for the public these days, thought it was all to prep for Epic winter seasons

 

[deadheadskier]

I would be absolutely losing my mind if I were still an AttiCat regular. Downright disgraceful effort. Maybe the worst yet for them.

I wonder what the local race teams think about Attitash right now? They pretty much always have had Illusion open exclusively for race training on opening day and then typically a TTB route on Attitash proper. I do see now they have all of Saco TTB. That was not on the morning report.

Sad

 

[thetrailboss]

I would be absolutely losing my mind if I were still an AttiCat regular. Downright disgraceful effort. Maybe the worst yet for them.

I wonder what the local race teams think about Attitash right now? They pretty much always have had Illusion open exclusively for race training on opening day and then typically a TTB route on Attitash proper. I do see now they have all of Saco TTB. That was not on the morning report.

Sad

Wait, there are still teams racing at Vail properties? The local teams here had to build their own training mountain after Vail evicted them from PCMR.

 

[shpride]

I would be absolutely losing my mind if I were still an AttiCat regular. Downright disgraceful effort. Maybe the worst yet for them.

I wonder what the local race teams think about Attitash right now? They pretty much always have had Illusion open exclusively for race training on opening day and then typically a TTB route on Attitash proper. I do see now they have all of Saco TTB. That was not on the morning report.

Sad

I was there Sunday morning. There were many racers skiing off the Progression. Too many at times. There was a ton of snow blown on Bear too so I’m guessing that will be ready for the weekend too. Hopefully with the interconnect.

 

[deadheadskier]

Wait, there are still teams racing at Vail properties? The local teams here had to build their own training mountain after Vail evicted them from PCMR.

AFAIK

But I don't really follow the Vail NH properties too much any more. Seeing them suck so hard early season triggers PTSD from when I had an Epic pass.

 

[joshua segal]

Ski patrol is a "job" NOT a career. You want full time benefits get a career. Patrolling should only be used as supplemental income, or volunteer.

I think that is true for the eastern ski areas. I'm not sure it is true for the western ones. Very different cultures.

 

[crystalmountainskier]

Some of the Olympic events that PCMR held in 2022 are moving to Snowbasin for 2034. Would love to know why.

 

[thetrailboss]

Some of the Olympic events that PCMR held in 2022 are moving to Snowbasin for 2034. Would love to know why.

One reason may be that the Holding family is more politically connected in UT than Vail.

 

[thetrailboss]

AFAIK

But I don't really follow the Vail NH properties too much any more. Seeing them suck so hard early season triggers PTSD from when I had an Epic pass.

“So does your health insurance cover treatment for PTSD?”

 

[BenedictGomez]

It can be competitive to get started on patrol in the Wasatch. Even the corporate resorts try to keep turnover low/patrol happy as they realize cost-cutting on avalanche mitigation and having a first-year throwing charges making $20/hr is a bad idea.

Yeah, but that's partly why the dont have to pay high rates. Park City had roughly 3,000 job applicants this year for 300 job openings. At this point they're probably negotiating more for fear of bad PR than fear they cant replace people to sweep trails.

 

[BenedictGomez]

$850 a month w $1000 deductible for family of 4 before Romney/Obama Care. . . . $3500 w $4000 ( or is in $6K) deductible 12 years later. Did anyone really think it was gonna be higher quality w less overhead after governments took it over?

Yes, Every Democrat voter circa 2009 who obediently listened to their "tribe" and denounced the evil "other side's" facts as "lies" and "corporate propaganda". More services, more "free" stuff, more trivial things covered, less money into the system, and it will be cheaper!!! Yeah, that s**t obviously never made any sense.

 

[BenedictGomez]

Yes, I do think universal healthcare would be cheaper. IF fully adopted and not the bandaids that exist only because that's what could get passed in our divided government.

I mean there's only dozens of examples globally that proves this point.

It's not "cheaper", because those nations have massively higher taxes. There's no such thing as a free lunch. And if you support that, then fine, but do know there's a cost involved.

And many of the nations you're referencing have terrible wait times, a lack of ability to see a specialist, or worse. Many of them wont cover scads of life-saving (or life-extending) drugs, because they claim they arent "cost efficient" - literally making the decision for you that the money involved isn't worth you living "only" 8 more months, etc... Horrific IMHO. No, America is far from perfect, but this fairy tale about how every other nation has better healthcare (especially Europe) is largely a media driven, left-wing fairy tale. There's a reason why really rich dudes from all over the world come to Houston for heart surgery, or myriad United States facilities in places like NYC, Texas, Cleveland, California, and Minnesota for their cancer care. Yeah, it "costs" more, but it's also elite.

 

[BenedictGomez]

And frankly as to the medical devices side of things, yes, those costs DO play a role in the overall picture, whether or not you want to admit that.

Of course. Everything has a price. A good medical device example was then DES hit the market and started gaining adoption over BMS. The DES cost like $2,000 more per patient, and there are thousands upon thousands of DES placements per year in America. But the results were better too, leading in some cases to better outcomes. You know where you couldn't readily get DES initially? Yeah, lots of those nations with "better healthcare" than America.

 

[BenedictGomez]

But at a hospital when you get to spend someone else's money? Many, many piss poor financial decisions are made.

Oh, and it's even far worse than that if the, "hospital's money" in actuality is really the "government's money". I've seen things.

 

[BenedictGomez]

In other news, I've recently learned that as children get older it is no longer realistic to carry out my former plan of not giving Vail a single ¢ outside of skiing related money. I've already had to buy a slice of pizza this season, and it's only mid-December.

 

[ThatGuy]

In other news, I've recently learned that as children get older it is no longer realistic to carry out my former plan of not giving Vail a single ¢ outside of skiing related money. I've already had to buy a slice of pizza this season, and it's only mid-December.
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I think oven Digorno pizza is better than the pizza you get in the lodge at least the one slice is ridiculously large combined with how overpriced it is