So I know that Vail’s earnings are down, but I would have expected that the lift would have gone more than 100 inches above the old one
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VAIL SUCKS
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catskillman
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100" - that would be classic...my error of course. 100 yds is more like it, and to the right.
They have done a great job with making snow after all the rain we had last week,and with the terrible drought conditions in the area.
They have done a great job with making snow after all the rain we had last week,and with the terrible drought conditions in the area.
BodeMiller1
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Why can't they get a permit to have a well? Maybe they don't need one.
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the have onea well ! and a resorvior. There is a severe drought.
The hotel had to go off the resorvior because it was to low and switch to the well several times during the summer and fall.
Homeowners wells are drying up, and some have run dry.
There is a severe drought in the Catskills area. The scholarie creek where they also get water from is restricted by the DEP and the creek was bone dry a couple of weeks ago. Hunter is in the watershed area. You can only use so much water per law.
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BTW - Professor Louie and the Cromatics are playing the mountain from 11-2 tomorrow. (I know crazy time....)
Louie played with the band "The Band". There has been zero information about this on any of the mountains social media, nothing posted at the mountain, and employees have no idea if you inquire. The time has changed 2x on their website. Have to relay on Professors website for accurate information. This is not an inexpensive band, waste of money - Vail Fail. And the band is starting before the bar even opens....
Great job marketing department!!
Louie played with the band "The Band". There has been zero information about this on any of the mountains social media, nothing posted at the mountain, and employees have no idea if you inquire. The time has changed 2x on their website. Have to relay on Professors website for accurate information. This is not an inexpensive band, waste of money - Vail Fail. And the band is starting before the bar even opens....
Great job marketing department!!
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Ski patrol on Strike with Vail. How does that work?
If they fully strike and No Ski patrol can a mountain open up?
unofficialnetworks.com
If they fully strike and No Ski patrol can a mountain open up?
Park City Professional Ski Patrol Association Unanimously Authorizes Strike Against Vail Resorts
However, authorizing a strike does not mean that they're going on strike right now.
unofficialnetworks.com
It was on this thread a long time ago, but Vail recruited and flew in replacements from other areas the last time they threatened a strike.Ski patrol on Strike with Vail. How does that work?
If they fully strike and No Ski patrol can a mountain open up?
Park City Professional Ski Patrol Association Unanimously Authorizes Strike Against Vail Resorts
However, authorizing a strike does not mean that they're going on strike right now.
Edd
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Per the article, they voted to have a strike, but time is yet to be determined.Ski patrol on Strike with Vail. How does that work?
If they fully strike and No Ski patrol can a mountain open up?
Park City Professional Ski Patrol Association Unanimously Authorizes Strike Against Vail Resorts
However, authorizing a strike does not mean that they're going on strike right now.
BenedictGomez
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They did this last year at some point with ski instructors. Not sure why there was a shortage at one point, but they flew in folks from other Vail properties and put them up in the new Vail housing. My guess is they could easily pull this off, because if you're ski patroller in Michigan, Pennsy, Vermont, Minnesota, Missouri or wherever, you're not going to feel some workplace solidarity about an extra $1.50 an hour, you're just going to be like, "sweet, a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to ski Utah for free AND get paid! Gimme that free plane ticket!".
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Strikes only work if you actually have leverage and a labor pool without the necessary skill sets. Ultimately the Park City patrollers have basically zero leverage because there are three people in line for every one that goes on strike, including people that would volunteer to do it.
kingslug
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There are that many qualified lurking around?
Ones with blasting knowledge?
They do drop a lot of bombs around there.
Ones with blasting knowledge?
They do drop a lot of bombs around there.
BenedictGomez
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I suspect he's probably correct. Everyone here of all ages who isn't an illegal alien skis. There are scores of 70 year olds who ski the chutes off Jupiter & 9,990 (they're aspirational). Not to mention all the free spirit types who "show up" randomly each season wanting to work at the mountain - the ski bum types. Plus, as was previously mentioned, Vail knows how to play this game & will dangle the prospect of an entirely free (paid actually) winter of skiing Wasatch powder to people who've rarely had the opportunity to leave Wisconsin.
More succinctly: Ski Patrol ≠ Embry Riddle or United State Airforce trained commercial pilots.
More succinctly: Ski Patrol ≠ Embry Riddle or United State Airforce trained commercial pilots.
Park City patrollers authorize strike, could affect holiday skiing
Park City Mountain ski patrollers are ready to strike if contract negotiations with Vail Resorts stall.
The latest.
BenedictGomez
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The most interesting thing SLT brought to light I hadn't heard before, is that the PCMR Ski Patrol Union wants Vail to pay for their benefits packages all year long even though they only work there for 4 or 5 months. I mean, GTHOOH with that ridiculousness!
This might at least partially explain Vail's resistance (and why Vail leaked that fact to SLT). The cost of full annual benefits packages is not cheap.
This might at least partially explain Vail's resistance (and why Vail leaked that fact to SLT). The cost of full annual benefits packages is not cheap.
RichT
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Ski patrol is a "job" NOT a career. You want full time benefits get a career. Patrolling should only be used as supplemental income, or volunteer.
Well, yes in 2024 America, ski patrol is just a "job" and likely ineligible for benefits.
Now if like most other modern societies we were to get rid of what essentially amounts to modern day indentured servitude by tying your health in America to employment........
Now if like most other modern societies we were to get rid of what essentially amounts to modern day indentured servitude by tying your health in America to employment........
I've been saying this forever. Health tied to your employment is total madness.
It's the policy of mad men who want to keep as many Americans working 40 hours a week for as long in life as possible to ensure maximum GDP and tax revenue production.
It ain't about clinical outcomes or health system efficiency, that's for sure.
You remove what is essentially an employment mandate if you want to live? How and where people choose to work would be quite different. A lot more opportunistic and periodic hustling vs being slaves to the man M-F.
jimmywilson69
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you're goddamn right about that...
I was discussing with some coworkers at the Christmas party that in reality I couldn't retire early because of needing some sort of affordable heath care. I guy I know started a successful new brewery. small brewery, only open Thurs-Sunday. He has zero debt related to the business after 15 months. Had to go back to work because the $6k a month health care cost was a losing financial battle. Here we have a guy literally doing the American dream and he couldn't be self sufficient because of health care costs. I don't care where you stand politically, but that aint right...
Back to the original topic, I'm not sure where I stand on this ski patrol thing. Its not just a volunteer job at a place like park city. There needs to be legit professionals. At my local owned vail place, it did used to be a volunteer job. you got a free pass and there were a few main folks who were paid. They now make everyone an employee, so those folks do get paid $20/hr. But it's staffed by retirees during the day and second job folks as night as a means to secure a free Epic pass. That works at a Ski Area not necessarily a Ski Resort.
I was discussing with some coworkers at the Christmas party that in reality I couldn't retire early because of needing some sort of affordable heath care. I guy I know started a successful new brewery. small brewery, only open Thurs-Sunday. He has zero debt related to the business after 15 months. Had to go back to work because the $6k a month health care cost was a losing financial battle. Here we have a guy literally doing the American dream and he couldn't be self sufficient because of health care costs. I don't care where you stand politically, but that aint right...
Back to the original topic, I'm not sure where I stand on this ski patrol thing. Its not just a volunteer job at a place like park city. There needs to be legit professionals. At my local owned vail place, it did used to be a volunteer job. you got a free pass and there were a few main folks who were paid. They now make everyone an employee, so those folks do get paid $20/hr. But it's staffed by retirees during the day and second job folks as night as a means to secure a free Epic pass. That works at a Ski Area not necessarily a Ski Resort.
$850 a month w $1000 deductible for family of 4 before Romney/Obama Care. . . . $3500 w $4000 ( or is in $6K) deductible 12 years later. Did anyone really think it was gonna be higher quality w less overhead after governments took it over? We self-insure now, at half that cost ( which is still double pre- 2011)
Its not health care it's sick care btw.
Regarding ski patrol - anywhere there is a union and legal ramifications that are not ( at least in large percentage of cases) the responsibility of the user ( not the business or resort) someones gonna pay - wait, no everyones gonna pay.
Some good news from generous wealthy folks:
New England ski area offering free lift tickets all season thanks to ‘generous’ gift
A New England ski area says it will be offering free lift tickets and access to trails throughout the winter season after recently receiving a “generous” gift.
