VAIL SUCKS

[BenedictGomez]

Mixed bag is my take:

1) The $2 raise was a given. Just via inflation alone it should have gone up $1.50ish. Vail couldn't care less.
2) The wage parity I think is written to make you think they got the perma inflationary increase they wanted, but I dont think they did; it sounds like they just get whatever some other Vail property's patrol can hold Vail hostage for assuming & only if it's higher than PCMR.
3) The "average" going up $4 means most PCMR patrollers will now make > $29 hour from $> $25, so that's a win.
4) It doesnt say what "most tenured" means, but I presume that means the dynamite chuckers will make > $40 now?
5) Sounds like they didnt get the turbo expensive healthcare asks they wanted, which was supposedly one of the most important demands
6) Gained access to parental leave is a win. How much so we dont know. Could they really have got 3 months paid on a 4 months gig? I'm skeptical.

 

[BenedictGomez]

Ski Utah, Alterra, and Vail have pretty much overpromoted the state.

Looks like the governor's trying to change that tonight.

 

[kbroderick]

Mixed bag is my take:

6) Gained access to parental leave is a win. How much so we dont know. Could they really have got 3 months paid on a 4 months gig? I'm skeptical.

If that's three mouths immediately following a birth or adoption (or immediately prior to and following, should someone not want to be running control routes 8 months pregnant), I doubt the worst-case scenario of "3 out of 4 months on leave" would happen very often. Yeah, you can try to time a birth seasonally, but I'm pretty sure the only time conception happens with 100% consistency is in health classes trying to scare teenagers.

I'd also not be at all surprised if at least some patrollers would prefer to not interrupt the winter season with a leave, but again, we're talking about biological processes that aren't completely consistent, and having to say "well, it didn't work out for a summer birth window this year, we'll try again next year" sounds freaking horrible if you've decided you're ready to have a kid.

 

[deadheadskier]

For sure. Took 18 months for our first. Took 18 seconds for the second.

 

[kingslug]

Now I wonder how this will affect other resorts.

 

[AdironRider]

I highly doubt they are getting all three months of their allowed FMLA leave paid. Probably more like a couple weeks with the rest unpaid. Given it cost them the gear allowance that would make sense dollars wise.

Also, that leave requires certain minimum hours worked requirements by law (1250 hours over the previous calendar year), so I wonder if that is really super applicable? Vail could go above and beyond that requirement but the devil is in the details.

 

[BenedictGomez]

Just realized looking at my number for inflation in the post above from last night it looked wonky. I entered the wrong data for calculating that.

Based on $21 starting wage and $25 average wage in January 2021, the PCMR ski patrol is actually making less money after this strike ($23 start, $29 average) than they were on the original contract on you add in CPI adjusters. Kind of surprising.

TLDR: Vail wins again

 

[Smellytele]

Just realized looking at my number for inflation in the post above from last night it looked wonky. I entered the wrong data for calculating that.

Based on $21 starting wage and $25 average wage in January 2021, the PCMR ski patrol is actually making less money after this strike ($23 start, $29 average) than they were on the original contract on you add in CPI adjusters. Kind of surprising.

TLDR: Vail wins again

No because vail never raised the pay rate with inflation so while it may be less than they were making in 2021 it is more than they were making in 2024.
More of a lose/ lose.