VAIL SUCKS

[kingslug]

Get there real early.Like 745 .

 

[jimmywilson69]

the communication is so poor it has to be intentional, right?

 

[Mainer]

Unless we get snow wildcat is not making the april 20th. The woods have barely had enough snow to ski this year there. Attitash could probably make it longer. Skied attitash yesterday, they blew a bunch of snow on kachina and middle ptarmigan but never groomed it. Fun bumps but a strange move

 

[oldfartrider]

Don’t they state a projected closing date before the season starts then adjust accordingly depending on spring conditions?

 

[eatskisleep]

Wildcat will be lucky to make it to April 6th without anymore natural snow. Black has an honest shot at being open later than them.

 

[AdironRider]

South facing Black is going to need help to get there that the 10 day is not providing. Only three nights below freezing with wind, rain, and some 60 degree days sprinkled in.

 

[kingslug]

Very fancy...

 

[thetrailboss]

Very fancy...
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Is that the Katz Kar Park?

 

[kingslug]

Yup
And its funny how when asked if it will be free....we are still finalizing that.
In other words..we are waiting to sell all the epics.. then spring it on you

 

[thetrailboss]

So with only 6 days notice Vail dropped that the Cabriolet Parking garage construction starts Monday, and with it they're instantly removing 1/2 the remaining free parking for this season, like 900 spots. Spring skiing weekends are going to be an absolute s*****ow.

My guess is the last of the remaining free parking will be rug-pulled next season - if you think Park City residents hate Vail now, you aint seen nothing yet.

Yup
And its funny how when asked if it will be free....we are still finalizing that.
In other words..we are waiting to sell all the epics.. then spring it on you

"You know, we are a business. Daddy has to make money too!"

 

[deadheadskier]

Goes back to my stance as to why, if I'm a town planning board member, I'm refusing to even review capital project requests without seeing usage data.

 

[jimmywilson69]

If you want to build any kind of traffic generating development, you typically have to provide how many anticipated people are going to use your development.

Is the lack of providing, this information why the town declined approving a new lift that ended up at Whistler?

 

[thetrailboss]

If you want to build any kind of traffic generating development, you typically have to provide how many anticipated people are going to use your development.

Is the lack of providing, this information why the town declined approving a new lift that ended up at Whistler?

In a nutshell, yes. The project was initially approved, and then appealed by locals. It was overturned on appeal.

 

[deadheadskier]

If you want to build any kind of traffic generating development, you typically have to provide how many anticipated people are going to use your development.

Is the lack of providing, this information why the town declined approving a new lift that ended up at Whistler?

I mean that's what happens in the cities around me. Perhaps Vail does provide a number, but with a large tourist operation you want to know where the people are coming from and how they're getting there to have a true understanding of the potential impact on local infrastructure.

They have all of the data for that through the RFID passes.

 

[BenedictGomez]

In a nutshell, yes. The project was initially approved, and then appealed by locals. It was overturned on appeal.

Yes, but these were not new lifts, they were just high-speed upgrades to existing, old lifts. So that explanation about "increased vehicle traffic" made no sense.

 

[BenedictGomez]

Get there real early.Like 745 .

Not happening. LOL

But I presume you'd just get a ticket anyway, because regardless of when you got there your plate wouldnt be in their system.

 

[BenedictGomez]

funny how when asked if it will be free....we are still finalizing that.
In other words..we are waiting to sell all the epics.. then spring it on you

100% correct.

Vail will follow the Solitude model (someone else did this recently too) of charging for parking only after your annual season pass sales are completed. The deadline for buying an EPIC pass is early December 2025, and this garage wont be completed until......... early December 2025.

Of course, most EPIC pass sales are sold well before the deadline, but my guess is we wont know about the parking cost until the fall, even though they clearly know exactly what it is today. My guess is, zero free parking just like at the PC side, and hopefully they'll throw us the same 1pm bone as exists on that side.

EDIT: And knowing Vail's constant quest for extracting additional sources of money, wouldn't surprise me if they sell a, "parking season pass" to locals for like $400.

 

[thetrailboss]

Yes, but these were not new lifts, they were just high-speed upgrades to existing, old lifts. So that explanation about "increased vehicle traffic" made no sense.

IIRC the issue was that the new lifts would add more capacity, thus allowing more skiers and riders. The City had an MOU with PCMR regarding the capacity of the resort and an agreement as to that limit. The issue was if this new lift capacity violated that MOU. Rather than produce the data, Vail just moved the lifts to Whistler.

 

[drjeff]

EDIT: And knowing Vail's constant quest for extracting additional sources of money, wouldn't surprise me if they sell a, "parking season pass" to locals for like $400.

That's what they charge for the grandfathered in seasonal parking passes at Mount Snow

 

[BenedictGomez]

That's what they charge for the grandfathered in seasonal parking passes at Mount Snow

What do you mean by, "grandfathered in", they arent selling them anymore?