vermont powder?

[C-Rex]

This applies for short distances, roads curve and have slope to them. If the whole roadway was iced and it pitches off to the left or right, gravity will start to pull the vehicle over as well.

Of course. But that's why you need to DRIVE the car and not just point it and push the gas. LOL

 

[skiNEwhere]

I did ease of the gas, was not in a lower gear. If I was on a flat plain vs 7% downgrade I probably would've been ok.

It didn't help that my truck is an extended bed (8 foot ) which made it harder to recover

 

[bdfreetuna]

We should get Snowlovers opinion on snow tires when he's back. Also, it's been awhile since we had a manual vs automatic thread.

Driving an automatic demonstrates a lack of giving a crap about driving in the first place, thereby implying ineptitude in snowy road conditions.

 

[skiNEwhere]

Driving an automatic demonstrates a lack of giving a crap about driving in the first place, thereby implying ineptitude in snowy road conditions.

Or shows that trucks manufacturers offer manuals in very few of their models. :uzi:

 

[MadMadWorld]

Driving an automatic demonstrates a lack of giving a crap about driving in the first place, thereby implying ineptitude in snowy road conditions.

Lol I switched to an auto because I was sick of driving a stick in stop and go with a bad knee. I don't take offense it is what it is....I rather have my stick though.

 

[pcampbell]

If you're going straight and you hit a slippery patch nothing will happen as long as you are not trying to brake, accelerate heavily, or turn.

reminds me of this morning, coming down to the base area to find more ice than i dared to turn on.. ended up skidding 25 feet across gravel before I stopped





I am not sure what I'd do if I didn't live here.......... I do drive (manual... of course ha) AWD with snow tires and this definitely the best combination I've ever had.

I know some people will get up early and hit the road and often won't run into snow until they are a bit closer.

 

[Tin]

Love the gf's 5-speed Subaru in the snow. For towing the boat in the summer in beach traffic and out of ramps an automatic is a must though.

 

[Boston Bulldog]

Damn, missed ANOTHER Snowlover thread.

What a great guy:roll:

 

[pcampbell]

Or shows that trucks manufacturers offer manuals in very few of their models. :uzi:

yeah, can't get a F150 or 1500 chevy in a manual.

I'm curious to see about this new 1500 Dodge Diesel. Used to have bigger Dodge diesels in 6spd that were a ton of fun.

I had snow tires on my 2WD Dodge with 700 lb ft of torque, it actually did pretty well in the snow.

 

[WWF-VT]

Driving an automatic demonstrates a lack of giving a crap about driving in the first place, thereby implying ineptitude in snowy road conditions.

And demonsrates theposter's lack of knowledge that the vast majority of vehicles available in the US today are automatic and equipped with anti-lock brakes and traction control systems.

 

[bdfreetuna]

And demonsrates theposter's lack of knowledge that the vast majority of vehicles available in the US today are automatic and equipped with anti-lock brakes and traction control systems.

Just trying to add some variety to the flame bait already present in this thread.

I know manual transmission is not available in a lot of vehicles. I guess it's an endangered species anyway when less people are driving gasoline powered vehicles.

Anyway I feel much more in control of a vehicle especially in abnormal conditions if it's a manual transmission... but manual transmission Subarus are all I've ever owned so color me biased.

As for pickups... I'm sure you can still get Toyotas in a manual. It's interesting that there is so much lack of market demand for medium size trucks in a manual transmission that at least the American manufacturers have given up on making them.

 

[xwhaler]

I have an 08 Toyota Tacoma 4wd with a manual.....only available with the 4 cyl engine when I got mine

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[snoseek]

I have an 08 Toyota Tacoma 4wd with a manual.....only available with the 4 cyl engine when I got mine

Sent from my VS980 4G using AlpineZone mobile app

I bought the 11 version of your truck because I wanted a manual. It does pretty good in the snow, would be better if I ran snow tires for sure, but dat manual!

 

[Bene288]

Just trying to add some variety to the flame bait already present in this thread.

I know manual transmission is not available in a lot of vehicles. I guess it's an endangered species anyway when less people are driving gasoline powered vehicles.

Anyway I feel much more in control of a vehicle especially in abnormal conditions if it's a manual transmission... but manual transmission Subarus are all I've ever owned so color me biased.

As for pickups... I'm sure you can still get Toyotas in a manual. It's interesting that there is so much lack of market demand for medium size trucks in a manual transmission that at least the American manufacturers have given up on making them.

You can't get a full size truck in manual anymore. Dodge may still offer the 3500 in manual, but that's more truck than 99.9 of truck owners need.The triptronic in my truck is actually very useful in the snow.

Still, nothing beats a sticks shift. Unfortunately your Subaru couldn't haul 4x8 sheets of plywood, or I would have one. Thinking about a wrx as a second car. I even like the new XV.

 

[pcampbell]

G56 6spd is available on Dodge 2500s and 3500s as far as I know.

 

[Bene288]

G56 6spd is available on Dodge 2500s and 3500s as far as I know.

Is that the turbo diesel?

 

[pcampbell]

i think you can get it with the HEMI too, g56 is the manual transmission.

 

[farlep99]

Just trying to add some variety to the flame bait already present in this thread.

I know manual transmission is not available in a lot of vehicles. I guess it's an endangered species anyway when less people are driving gasoline powered vehicles.

Anyway I feel much more in control of a vehicle especially in abnormal conditions if it's a manual transmission... but manual transmission Subarus are all I've ever owned so color me biased.

As for pickups... I'm sure you can still get Toyotas in a manual. It's interesting that there is so much lack of market demand for medium size trucks in a manual transmission that at least the American manufacturers have given up on making them.

It definitely sucks that very few manuals are on the market now. The only AWD vehicles available manual that I'm aware of are subaru (I think only the outback?) and Audi A4. I had an A4, loved driving it, but frankly it was a POS that was constantly in the shop. I'll never go that route again. It'd be nice to have more options because manual in hairy conditions is much better. the tiptronics are ok but manual is the way to go

 

[wa-loaf]

It definitely sucks that very few manuals are on the market now. The only AWD vehicles available manual that I'm aware of are subaru (I think only the outback?) and Audi A4. I had an A4, loved driving it, but frankly it was a POS that was constantly in the shop. I'll never go that route again. It'd be nice to have more options because manual in hairy conditions is much better. the tiptronics are ok but manual is the way to go

The Outback is a beast (not in a good way) and it's too bad you can't get the H6 in a stick. That's the biggest problem is even when you can get a car in a stick it's usually limited to lower end models. Some of us want some luxury too dammit! That's what drove me to the Jetta Sportwagon, 6 spd with a really nice interior, cost less than the outback and much better mileage. Gave up AWD, but haven't missed it much. My girlfriend just bought the Crosstrek (5 speed) and it drives much better than the outback, though the suspension feels kinda squishy compared to the VW. Space is pretty limited in it.

 

[HowieT2]

The Outback is a beast (not in a good way) and it's too bad you can't get the H6 in a stick. That's the biggest problem is even when you can get a car in a stick it's usually limited to lower end models. Some of us want some luxury too dammit! That's what drove me to the Jetta Sportwagon, 6 spd with a really nice interior, cost less than the outback and much better mileage. Gave up AWD, but haven't missed it much. My girlfriend just bought the Crosstrek (5 speed) and it drives much better than the outback, though the suspension feels kinda squishy compared to the VW. Space is pretty limited in it.

I'm considering the crosstrek but concerned that the 4 cylinder is under powered. how do you like it?
My understanding is that its an impreza with a beefed up suspension.