Yankees LOSE to Tigers!

[RIDEr]

Not one false statement in that whole post RIDEr. Especially the BS rain out excuse I keep on hearing in my neck of the woods..

Where exactly are you from anyway. I tried putting your lat and longitude into a reverse lookup, but I think I'm doing something wrong. Are those other numbers minutes and seconds?

I used to live in Hoboken, NJ and now live in Central Jersey next to Princeton... is hopes of moving farther north again for the easier weekend drive to the mountains.

 

[ChileMass]

Looks like Saint Joe will be back next season......

 

[FRITOLAYGUY]

Yes i just listened to him on the Fan with Mike and Dog, he seems a little tired but overall happy to get another shot, which he deserves, im happy to see it.. 5 people who should decide if and when they leave the yankees are as follows

Torre, the man has been a great mananger, kept all those egos in check, ya he hasnt won in a few years but they are always there with a chance in the playoffs everyear.

Posada, the unsung hero, georgie has been a great catcher for them, had one of his best years ever, doesnt complain

Bernie, this guy has more postseason clutch hits than you can count on both hands, has been a great yankee.

Jeter, what can u say the captain, never makes a bad move, well respected, has won since he got here.

Rivera, half of those championships are because of this guy, besides sandy alomar, and luis gonzales, the guy has never blown a big game, i would trust him in a big spot to get a side retired before any other closer ive ever seen.. PERIOD!

Everyother Yankee is not a Yankee, end of story.

 

[ChileMass]

Yes i just listened to him on the Fan with Mike and Dog, he seems a little tired but overall happy to get another shot, which he deserves, im happy to see it.. 5 people who should decide if and when they leave the yankees are as follows

Torre, the man has been a great mananger, kept all those egos in check, ya he hasnt won in a few years but they are always there with a chance in the playoffs everyear.

Posada, the unsung hero, georgie has been a great catcher for them, had one of his best years ever, doesnt complain

Bernie, this guy has more postseason clutch hits than you can count on both hands, has been a great yankee.

Jeter, what can u say the captain, never makes a bad move, well respected, has won since he got here.

Rivera, half of those championships are because of this guy, besides sandy alomar, and luis gonzales, the guy has never blown a big game, i would trust him in a big spot to get a side retired before any other closer ive ever seen.. PERIOD!

Everyother Yankee is not a Yankee, end of story.

I'm glad you're happy Joe is coming back - he is a class act - nobody can take that away from him.

But as for the others:

Posada - had another good season, but can't hold up much longer. How much has he got left in the tank, especially playing catcher?

Bernie - amazing that he got as much done this season as he did on those knees and shoulders. The guy can barely throw and run. Do you really want to use up a valuable roster spot for him?

Rivera - this is the one that should really scare Yankee fans - he's become a one-inning pitcher and even then, teams got to him more this year than ever before. To use a golf analogy, he's playing the 16th or 17th hole, guys.......

Jeter - will be fine for a few more years, but he didn't do himself any favors this year wth the Cold War with A-Rod. The shine is off the captain, Yankee fans.

And no one else is a "true" Yankee? What about Cano? Or Mussina? Or Matsui? Of all the free agents, you have to give it up for Moose and Godzilla. Hell - even I like them.

You gotta get rid of A-Fraud. Nuff said. Trade him to the Sox straight up for Manny - I'd do it today.

And it's bye-bye for the Big Unit. He's the 2007 version of Kevin Brown now. $17M for a guy with an ERA over 5.00?.........sheeesh......

Yanks are gonna need some major work in the offseason. I guarantee they get Zito, but the Sox will probably drive the price way up.

 

[roark]

Sell high, buy low. Don't trade A-Rod if you're smart. He's still one of the best players in the game. Is TX still paying part of his contract?

I think Zito'll go to one of the SoCal teams.

 

[Mike P.]

I'd agree with the Fritolay but I'd rather see the whole lot of the NYYfall into the river from the GW. Even Guillen said the same thing about Rivera at the All-star game when Papelbon was lights out One guy was hot for 3-4 months the other should be the NYY MVP & probably should have a bunch of the league MVP's at home. Boston's hitters have minor success sometimes against him, Boston fans, watch him against any other team, 999/1000 times they go down with a whimper.

But both teams have pitching questions & are both getting old:

Pitching, who will the Yankees have? Can't see giving Moose $17M, will Pavano ever pitch? (Insert Clement & Lester here) Zito does well against most teams but NYY & Red Sox hit him well after the first trip through the line up, I hope the Yankees do get him. Expect Schilling, Becket & Wake in Boston, maybe with Papelbon as a starter. In NY, Johnson (what would you get for a $17M 43 year old heading downhill?) Wright, Pavano & two new free agents

If sox move JP, they need a closer, is Hansen ready? Will Mo still be Mo in NYY? I expect a slight slip but not too much yet, I thought the NYY middle guys did okay but then fair would have been better than Boston's middle guys. Farnsworth was a bust, with Boston we couldn't expect Timlin to throw young forever.

Catchers, both teams are aging here with no long term backup, Sox traded Wells for a young kid, can he catch knuckleball, Mirabelli didn't hit the GM's weight let alone his own. If you think pitchers on the Free agent market get money, wait until Mauer is eligible if he stays healthy, Posada & Varitek both aging at about the same pace

First: NYY needs to get one who can hit sinc eteaching Giambi to field isn't going to happen. Youk needs to hit all year, although maybe Hinskie is first baseman because Youk may be best trade bait to smaller markets.

2nd, I'd keep Loretta & deal Dustin if I could get a good pitcher with him, Youk & someone else. Cano, he's not a true Yankee. . . . YET If they keep him, he may be,

Short, I'd keep both of the 2006 Shortstops, I hear Jeter is a fair SS.

Third, I'd keep both of these guys too, How many markets can afford A-Rod? who would you get, Vlad? To you throw in Damon also, sign Torii H in free agency & get Santana & Morneau? You'd have to eat a bunch of $$ but they have that option. Only way Twins take guys NYY has to offer is if they come almost free.

Outfield, Is Murphy ready to play? Don't see fan favorites Nixon & Kapler back although Gabe is almost free. Expect to see them trade either Willy Mo or Murphy whichever gets them more value for pitcher, if Willy Mo could hit curve ball (he looks like Serano from Major League) he could be next Manny, he hit a HR this year in wall seats harder than any ball I've seen hit that far. Assuming Yanks keep new RF & CF & Matsui (even a bigger class act than Jeter - my fingers hurt typing that BTW) Melky may be best trade bait they have, he proved he can play, Guile not too bad either, Sheffield likely out but they can't let him go to Free agency, if he did it's possible Red Sox would pick him up, that would give themoption of moving Manny if any takers or having Ortiz, Manny Sheff as your 3,4,5, hitters. Manny had 100 RBI & 30+ homeruns in mid-august with a spray hitting Nixon, a .240 hitting Varitek, Willy Mo Serano & a pleasent surprise in Lowell backing him up, what kind of stuff would he get to hit with Sheffield or Carlos Lee behind him?

Glad to see some fresh blood in the LCS but personally, warm up the stove.

 

[FRITOLAYGUY]

Chile i was saying those 5 guys have done so much for that franchise , they deserve the right to say when they are done rather than being ushered out the door.. By the way since the yankees payroll is 200 Mil and they havent won in 5yrs that means not even ONEBILLION dollars can buy a championship lol

 

[JimG.]

That was almost an insult to put a-rod 8th, a slap in the face.

A-Rod earned it...he doesn't deserve to bat higher in that lineup.

The guy is a bonafide choker.

 

[JimG.]

Jeter - will be fine for a few more years, but he didn't do himself any favors this year wth the Cold War with A-Rod. The shine is off the captain, Yankee fans.

You gotta get rid of A-Fraud. Nuff said. Trade him to the Sox straight up for Manny - I'd do it today.

Jeter owes A-Rod nothing...A-Rod can't carry Jeter's jock. Talk about Mr. May!!! The guy does nothing when it matters and he's a big baby on top of that. Oh, we all have to bow and make concessions to keep Mr. Rodriguez happy? So sensitive. What, the 25 million he gets isn't enough? He needs to shut up and play. Nobody cares about his personal needs and his tender psyche. Time to grow up and be a man.

Chile, you can have him...I'll take Manny in a flash.

 

[Mike P.]

Manny keeps Ortiz happy, if they can get a good bat behind Manny so teams have to give him quality pitches, he'd hit .330 with 45 HR & ton of opposite field hits.

A-Rod has had usually someone behind him in NYY better than Nixon, (when healthy) Varitek or Lowell, although his 20 HR's & over 70 RBI + many doubles were a big boost.

Jeter is still the guy in NYY, pitching is what Detroit is winning with, just like Chicago last year. Zito is not the answer, The younger Weaver or Ervin Santana might be. If you can't get Kazmir, Bonderman, Verlander or the two guns in MN, who will be the next 22 -25 year old that is that good? Is it Hughes in the NYY farm system? Is it Papelbon if they move him to the starting rotation? is it Beckett if he learns not to give up the long ball & he develops another out pitch so they can't sit on the fastball?

Assuming NYY does not offer Mussina 17M for one year (although IMO that may be better than Zito for 4yrs & 60M) Johnson, Wong, Wright, Lidle, Pavano if ever healthy won't scare people beyond Wong unless Wright can pitch 7 innings effectively. Pettitte may be best free agent. Schilling, Beckett, Wakefield & Papelbon & Taveres (if he pitches like he did at the end of 2006) may be pretty good, but that leaves Delcarmen, Hanson, Timlin & Foulke, none of these guys can touch Mo or Farnsworth at this stage of their careers, Procter & Villone may be better too although how much Delcarmen & Hansen improve is unknown.

Lester if he ever pitches again may be a year away, Clement will have to pitch well before they can trade him (NYY fans feel free to replace Clement with Pavano)

 

[FRITOLAYGUY]

A-Rod earned it...he doesn't deserve to bat higher in that lineup.

The guy is a bonafide choker.

Jim hes only a choker where theres alot of media, i bet if he goes anywhere else besides Boston or NY next year he will be 330 50 135 again.. He just doesnt handle the pressure well, when there isnt any hes fine, thats not saying alot for him but its true.

 

[JimG.]

Jim hes only a choker where theres alot of media, i bet if he goes anywhere else besides Boston or NY next year he will be 330 50 135 again.. He just doesnt handle the pressure well, when there isnt any hes fine, thats not saying alot for him but its true.

As long as he's not in NY anymore...I'm not a Mets fan but I don't wish him on them either.

BTW, places like the playoffs and World Series have more media present than everyday NY...so what are you saying about A-hole? Sounds like you're agreeing with me.

 

[FRITOLAYGUY]

As long as he's not in NY anymore...I'm not a Mets fan but I don't wish him on them either.

BTW, places like the playoffs and World Series have more media present than everyday NY...so what are you saying about A-hole? Sounds like you're agreeing with me.

Thats true jim but thats only pressure for 2 weeks or so.. In NY its everyday everygame, he didnt get that in Seattle or Texas.. I half agree lol

 

[ChileMass]

Tigers up 2-0.........man, have they got guys who can THROW the ball.......looking bad for the A's........

 

[JimG.]

Thats true jim but thats only pressure for 2 weeks or so.. In NY its everyday everygame, he didnt get that in Seattle or Texas.. I half agree lol

Still don't get your point...what good is he if he self destructs because of media pressure during the playoffs even if it's only for 2 weeks (it's really 3-4 weeks)?

Are you saying the effect is cumulative? I'm not buying it.

And for 25 million a year, he ought to be able to handle it. If he can't, he's not worth half that money.

 

[JimG.]

Tigers up 2-0.........man, have they got guys who can THROW the ball.......looking bad for the A's........

Yeah, and where's Roark?

A's are in big trouble.

 

[FRITOLAYGUY]

Still don't get your point...what good is he if he self destructs because of media pressure during the playoffs even if it's only for 2 weeks (it's really 3-4 weeks)?

Are you saying the effect is cumulative? I'm not buying it.

And for 25 million a year, he ought to be able to handle it. If he can't, he's not worth half that money.

Well ya its 4 weeks if they make the series , but since they havent in his years here im basing it on 2 weeks. And nobody is worth half that money.

 

[JimG.]

And nobody is worth half that money.

So true...can't argue that.

But we're talking in the strange salary vacuum called baseball. The highest paid player ought to have the highest tolerance for pressure whether it is induced by the media or something else. A-Rod fails miserably in that regard.

I know it's simplistic, but that's what my boss expects from me in these regards since I run a sales department. Truth is all baseball players are spoiled, and the highest paid only means he's the MOST spoiled.

 

[roark]

Yeah, and where's Roark?

A's are in big trouble.

Lurking. What can I say? A's have stunk. Tigers have been great.

 

[FRITOLAYGUY]

the Tiggers as we used to call them when they were bad are really having their way with the A's. I think they feel after overcoming the yankees, its smooth sailing ahead, i dont see anybody stopping this freight train now.