Yeah, but how good of a Samaritan?

[ski_resort_observer]

so you lost your concentration and/or hit something unexpected making it unable for you to recover.

Whoa Mr. Aspen, I suppose that has never happened to you, especially with all those Aspen ski bunnies schussing around. :wink:

 

[tjf67]

OK, I have to chime in.

I agree with Lloyd...I don't enable stupidity. Learn a lesson.

Injuries are a completely different topic.

I guess when you are as good as all of you falling never happens. I fall almost everytime I am out. I certainly am glad when someone brings my skiis down to me. I would say more than 80% of the time that is the case.
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[tjf67]

so you lost your concentration and/or hit something unexpected making it unable for you to recover.

That my friend is skiing over your ability!

Arrogance is not an endearing trait. I dont pretend to be the best skier in the world but I have fun at what I do. I fall all the time it has nothing to do with skiing over my ability.

 

[lloyd braun]

Whoa Mr. Aspen, I suppose that has never happened to you, especially with all those Aspen ski bunnies schussing around. :wink:

Oh it happens. And you know what, on that day I was in over my head, I can and do admit it.

It happens to all of us, but in my opinion, you have to realize how to respect the mountain. If you are an "expert skier" then you should be able to ski an "expert slope" without making technical errors, place your turns exactly where you want, flow down the hill with grace everytime. If you aren't there, then again, IMO you are above your ability. Some days your ability could be off, we all have those days. Your skills could also be above your average, one of those days when everything clicks and you nail every line, never get tired, etc.....

I see so many people just flailing around the slopes. Those people, the same ones that "yard sale" need to understand that they in over their heads. That is how people get hurt. If you are blue skier, work at the blues till you truly can do the aforementioned. You should venture out on the blacks till you get there, but as you progress you don't "yard sale" anymore. What color slopes do you never "yard sale" on? I would think that is how you should judge your own skiing. If you "yard sale" on blues, you are prob a green skier, if you "blow out" on double blacks then you are prob a single black skier etc....

Now as far as your lame ass ski bunny comment. I have one, she is my wife, she snowboards and beats a lot of strong local skiers down the hill. I come here to have discussions with skiers, people true to the sport. I seem to have found some on this board. The ones that truely stand their ground and know what they are talking about. Not the ones who fluff each other all day long. Do I know it all, no way...and I am glad that at least know I don't know it all. I try to comment on things I have knowledge on.

You seem to have only wanted to take a shot at me for living in Aspen. My ski roots started in the east and some of you are skiers some of you are posers just like at epic and TGR.

So Mr. Ski Resort Observer which one are you?

 

[darent]

dmc, the keeper of the karma, could you have been the one in front of me who skied right past the injured yardsaler on that lonely run last winter.he sure learned to deal with his skiing.

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

Now as far as your lame ass ski bunny comment. I have one, she is my wife, she snowboards and beats a lot of strong local skiers down the hill. I come here to have discussions with skiers, people true to the sport. I seem to have found some on this board. The ones that truely stand their ground and know what they are talking about. Not the ones who fluff each other all day long. Do I know it all, no way...and I am glad that at least know I don't know it all. I try to comment on things I have knowledge on.

You seem to have only wanted to take a shot at me for living in Aspen. My ski roots started in the east and some of you are skiers some or you are posers just like at epic and TGR.

So Mr. Ski Resort Observer which one are you?

RU serious? He was clearly kidding with you. Dang

 

[wintersyndrome]

I fell a million times before I learned to walk, does that mean I should have stuck with crawling lloyd? No, we get into situations that may be "over our heads" because it is natural for human beings to test themselves, we test our selves, we fall we "yard sale" we hit trees (hopefully not too hard) we break bones we injure ourselves because we want to be better,not stuck in mediocrity.

and yes I'd stop to help, karma follows you on and off the slopes

 

[wintersyndrome]

That's the beauty of being a border, after a spectacular wipe out usually all you have to collect is your wits..:lol:

and once in a while your goggles:wink:

 

[lloyd braun]

RU serious? He was clearly kidding with you. Dang

didn't seem that way. I took it as offensive and believe that is how it was intended

 

[ski_resort_observer]

Oh it happens. And you know what, on that day I was in over my head, I can and do admit it.

It happens to all of us, but in my opinion, you have to realize how to respect the mountain. If you are an "expert skier" then you should be able to ski an "expert slope" without making technical errors, place your turns exactly where you want, flow down the hill with grace everytime. If you aren't there, then again, IMO you are above your ability. Some days your ability could be off, we all have those days. Your skills could also be above your average, one of those days when everything clicks and you nail every line, never get tired, etc.....

I see so many people just flailing around the slopes. Those people, the same ones that "yard sale" need to understand that they in over their heads. That is how people get hurt. If you are blue skier, work at the blues till you truley can do the aforementioned. You should venture out on the blacks till you get there, but as you progress you don't "yard sale" anymore. What color slopes do you never "yard sale" on? I would think that is how you should judge your own skiing. If you "yard sale" on blues, you are prob a green skier, if you "blow out" on double blacks then you are prob a single black skier etc....

Now as far as your lame ass ski bunny comment. I have one, she is my wife, she snowboards and beats a lot of strong local skiers down the hill. I come here to have discussions with skiers, people true to the sport. I seem to have found some on this board. The ones that truely stand their ground and know what they are talking about. Not the ones who fluff each other all day long. Do I know it all, no way...and I am glad that at least know I don't know it all. I try to comment on things I have knowledge on.

You seem to have only wanted to take a shot at me for living in Aspen. My ski roots started in the east and some of you are skiers some of you are posers just like at epic and TGR.

So Mr. Ski Resort Observer which one are you?

Out of respect for your wife I am going to withhold a reply and explain to me why I would want to take a shot at you cause you live in Aspen. I love all ski resorts. I have had some fantastic days skiing Ajax and Snowmass. Lastly, the "wink" symbol at the end of my post denotes I was kidding so get off your high horse and clean your friggin glasses.

 

[Lostone]

So it is a powder day. It is fairly early and there are not only freshies to be found, but right in front of me.

I come around a corner and see a young girl standing to me left, looking up toward me. Then I realize she is looking to my right, where a woman (likely her mother) is lying in the snow.

I stop to ask if she is all right. She says she is ok, but can't get up. (It is flat ground and a little more than half a foot of snow.) I look down at my line. I look up to where she is. (I'd gone downhill of her before I saw her.) I thought of powder day rules... Then I laughed and said "I'm going to go to heaven for this!", and hiked up and helped her up. 8)

I swore her to secrecy about my stopping, on a powder day. She said she'd never tell, and confirmed that I'd be going to heaven, for that.

You have to help people out. It may be blasphemy, but it is only skiing. ;-)

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

So it is a powder day. It is fairly early and there are not only freshies to be found, but right in front of me.

I come around a corner and see a young girl standing to me left, looking up toward me. Then I realize she is looking to my right, where a woman (likely her mother) is lying in the snow.

I stop to ask if she is all right. She says she is ok, but can't get up. (It is flat ground and a little more than half a foot of snow.) I look down at my line. I look up to where she is. (I'd gone downhill of her before I saw her.) I thought of powder day rules... Then I laughed and said "I'm going to go to heaven for this!", and hiked up and helped her up. 8)

I swore her to secrecy about my stopping, on a powder day. She said she'd never tell, and confirmed that I'd be going to heaven, for that.

You have to help people out. It may be blasphemy, but it is only skiing. ;-)

Wow..a good Samaritan on a powder day...I have renewed faith in humankind I'd be going to fast to notice. When Bridger Bowl re-opened after receiving 105 inches in 5 days..everybody was in the White Room and on the ungroomed flats..you had to get in a trench to maintain speed..and there were boarders left and right who didn't have enough speed buried neck deep..I knew enough about Physics to maintain my speed to make it back to the lift for more..It might be the deepest snow I ever skied and stopping was not an option..Alot of people lost skis that day....until June..

 

[2knees]

simple question that has made for very interesting replies.


I always pick up skis/poles whatever if they are between me and a fallen skier. It takes seconds. God knows i appreciate it when someone picks up my goggles/helmet/boots/socks/skis/poles etc after a grade A wipeout.

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

simple question that has made for very interesting replies.


I always pick up skis/poles whatever if they are between me and a fallen skier. It takes seconds. God knows i appreciate it when someone picks up my goggles/helmet/boots/socks/skis/poles etc after a grade A wipeout.

haha socks..wow that's quite a wipeout..

 

[Lostone]

I read a few replies before posting mine. Then I went back to read the last few pages. There seem to be some who's answer is they are no Samaritan, at all.

I see them as rooting for Mr Scrooge during a Christmas Carol. I'm happy not to know them. :roll:

 

[dmc]

I read a few replies before posting mine. Then I went back to read the last few pages. There seem to be some who's answer is they are no Samaritan, at all.

I see them as rooting for Mr Scrooge during a Christmas Carol. I'm happy not to know them. :roll:

I'm not one of them because I will help an injured person.. I'd never turn my back on an injured person..

 

[dmc]

dmc, the keeper of the karma, could you have been the one in front of me who skied right past the injured yardsaler on that lonely run last winter.he sure learned to deal with his skiing.

I make no pretense to be a keeper of karma.

 

[JimG.]

I guess when you are as good as all of you falling never happens. I fall almost everytime I am out. I certainly am glad when someone brings my skiis down to me. I would say more than 80% of the time that is the case.
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Hell no...I'm not that good. But I don't lose equipment with every fall. And I sure don't yardsale every fall.

And if I do go down and lose some equipment it's usually just a ski or a pole. And I don't slide 200 feet before even trying to stop. And I hold onto whatever equipment I have left and make sure it stays with me instead of seeded the entire run with gear. And I sure as hell don't want other skiers trying to ski down to me with my gear and then crash or crash into me "helping" me out. At least half the times I've been hit on skis happened when either someone tried to "help" me and wound up skiing into me or I tried to help and got hit standing near the downed skier. So I stopped doing it.

When I was an instructor, I had a rule about "helping" newbies when they fell. I did it once. Then they learned to stand up on their own. Yeah, I'd stand and give them directions on how to move into a position conducive to getting up, but they have to learn to get up themselves. Sometimes they would sweat getting it done, but I was there for verbal support and a pat on the back for success.

Because like you started your post, everyone falls when they ski and you need to learn to get up and gather your stuff by yourself.

This does not mean I just ignore pileups on intermediate or beginner terrain, places I might EXPECT to see wipeouts because these people are LEARNING to ski. But I've seen stuff on Clair's and other EXPERT terrain that makes me turn away in fear of getting involved, people in way over their heads who do smart things like REMOVE skis so they can warp down into a fence instead of just sliding. Or who start to slide and just continue, then stand at the bottom and complain that nobody is helping them. I'm getting involved with that? Why? So I can get sued for giving advice or getting them back on skis only to watch them take out 3 other skiers?

Walk up, get your stuff, and learn your lesson.

 

[dmc]

Walk up, get your stuff, and learn your lesson.

Maybe it's a Hunter thing..

 

[JimG.]

Maybe it's a Hunter thing..

Heh...bunch of NY bastards, right?

You help beginners all the time and they learn to lie there like a sack of s**t waiting for help. That's not skiing.

You help someone on terrain they have no business being on and they just go right back down that run again...and probably yardsale again. How is that help?

If you really want to help those folks, take their equipment and ski down to the bottom and leave it there.

I'm going to stop because I feel the pins being stuck into the JimG. voodoo doll.