Abandoned, Removed, Unused and Unlisted trails. What mountains? What trails? How to Find them?

[MidnightJester]

This is a area I definitely lack knowledge in and where the older school you are the more trails you might know : ) Help the new and the wanting to know how to find the old, unlisted and abandoned trails and if they are still skiable and ridable?

A lot of mountains over time had trails then they didn't. Where did they go? Of course they are still on the mountain just little more grown in.

Best snow hunting to all : )

Starting trail I haven't done yet but looking forward to soon
The "Bruce trail" Stowe

The Bruce Trail | 3.4 mi Backcountry Skiing Route on Strava

The Bruce Trail is a 3.4 mi Backcountry Skiing Route. Discover this route and more at Strava. Visit today!

fatmap.com

Link takes you to a description and map to find starting point of the "Bruce trail" Stowe VT

 

[hardscrabble]

Best sidecountry in the East is at Yawgoo Valley, everyone knows that

 

[MidnightJester]

Best sidecountry in the East is at Yawgoo Valley, everyone knows that

Looking more for mountain trails that were removed or not listed for one reason or another and are still on mountain and mostly accessible by the actual mountain lift networks.

The Bruce trail does take you out sidecountry like though

 

[KustyTheKlown]

he was goofing on you, you goof.

 

[MidnightJester]

One of the better write ups for a trip report and finding trail markers and points of reference. It includes unlisted and abandoned trails : )

2023/01/29 - Pico / Killington - Interconnect trail, Catwalk, abandoned Juggernaut, new K1 lodge - guide

Went to Pico on Sunday morning to knock a couple items off my bucket list: Went up to the summit and started the day with a warmup run down all of KA, even the Lower section was open. I always enjoy the view from the top, which had been groomed: Then back up to the top to begin my trek to...

forums.alpinezone.com

 

[2Planker]

Try NELSAP Great site. - https://www.nelsap.org/

We live on what used to be Rockhouse Mt Ski Area - https://www.nelsap.org/nh/rockhouse.html

Here's the link for the backside of Magic, which was connected in the 80's. Paul Newman had a place here
- https://www.nelsap.org/vt/timber.html

 

[jaytrem]

Wonder how Juggernaut is skiing these days?

Mount Snow had one ages ago called Wanderer. I think it would be the existing Deerfield Ridge trail. But on some of the old maps it looked like you would ski out towards Haystack and then back towards the bottom of Sunbrook. None of the super old timers I ever asked seemed to know if that was really the case. They did have it listed as CC, so not really meant to be a downhill trail. I see no sign of the ridge to Sunbrook portion, I'm sure if it existed it's long overgrown.

 

[urungus]

Wonder how Juggernaut is skiing these days?

As mentioned by MidnightJester, I skied the abandoned top portion of Juggernaut on Sunday and posted a lengthy trip report/guide here:

2023/01/29 - Pico / Killington - Interconnect trail, Catwalk, abandoned Juggernaut, new K1 lodge - guide

Went to Pico on Sunday morning to knock a couple items off my bucket list: Went up to the summit and started the day with a warmup run down all of KA, even the Lower section was open. I always enjoy the view from the top, which had been groomed: Then back up to the top to begin my trek to...

forums.alpinezone.com

 

[urungus]

This is a area I definitely lack knowledge in and where the older school you are the more trails you might know : ) Help the new and the wanting to know how to find the old, unlisted and abandoned trails and if they are still skiable and ridable?

A lot of mountains over time had trails then they didn't. Where did they go? Of course they are still on the mountain just little more grown in.

Best snow hunting to all : )

Starting trail I haven't done yet but looking forward to soon
The "Bruce trail" Stowe

The Bruce Trail | 3.4 mi Backcountry Skiing Route on Strava

The Bruce Trail is a 3.4 mi Backcountry Skiing Route. Discover this route and more at Strava. Visit today!

fatmap.com

Link takes you to a description and map to find starting point of the "Bruce trail" Stowe VT

Bruce is on my short list of trails to try next, looking for advice on best way to get back to Toll House chair from the cross country center where Bruce ends.

 

[icecoast1]

Wonder how Juggernaut is skiing these days?

Mount Snow had one ages ago called Wanderer. I think it would be the existing Deerfield Ridge trail. But on some of the old maps it looked like you would ski out towards Haystack and then back towards the bottom of Sunbrook. None of the super old timers I ever asked seemed to know if that was really the case. They did have it listed as CC, so not really meant to be a downhill trail. I see no sign of the ridge to Sunbrook portion, I'm sure if it existed it's long overgrown.

The Ridge trail was still accessible as of 3 years ago when I was last there, definitely has grown in over the years but it's still there.

 

[jaytrem]

As mentioned by MidnightJester, I skied the abandoned top portion of Juggernaut on Sunday and posted a lengthy trip report/guide here:

2023/01/29 - Pico / Killington - Interconnect trail, Catwalk, abandoned Juggernaut, new K1 lodge - guide

Went to Pico on Sunday morning to knock a couple items off my bucket list: Went up to the summit and started the day with a warmup run down all of KA, even the Lower section was open. I always enjoy the view from the top, which had been groomed: Then back up to the top to begin my trek to...

forums.alpinezone.com

Yeah, we were typing at the same time. I took a while while looking at old maps. Great stuff, except the falling in the water part! Thanks for posting that!

The Ridge trail was still accessible as of 3 years ago when I was last there, definitely has grown in over the years but it's still there.

Yeah, I think it still gets some decent use. I don't think they've run across since they sold Haystack, so growing in some make sense. The potential missing part would have went from the ridge somewhere on the way to Haystack, down to the bottom of Sunbrook. If it existed, it may have been no wider than the XC trail that leaves from he bottom of Sunbrook. So may not have been much to grow in at all.

 

[mbedle]

Bruce is on my short list of trails to try next, looking for advice on best way to get back to Toll House chair from the cross country center where Bruce ends.

The bus.

 

[MidnightJester]

A Pretty good video of the "Bruce trail" Stowe VT and what it looks like for most the way. Bruce trail starts at .50 seconds but the beginning is fun too
Thumbs up to the dad for bring up a few great snow lovers and decent kids at first glance.

 

[mbedle]

Yeah, we were typing at the same time. I took a while while looking at old maps. Great stuff, except the falling in the water part! Thanks for posting that!


Yeah, I think it still gets some decent use. I don't think they've run across since they sold Haystack, so growing in some make sense. The potential missing part would have went from the ridge somewhere on the way to Haystack, down to the bottom of Sunbrook. If it existed, it may have been no wider than the XC trail that leaves from he bottom of Sunbrook. So may not have been much to grow in at all.

Is the trail they use to call the Ridge Touring Trail just the Long Trail? My wrong - not the long trail.

 

[raisingarizona]

As mentioned by MidnightJester, I skied the abandoned top portion of Juggernaut on Sunday and posted a lengthy trip report/guide here:

2023/01/29 - Pico / Killington - Interconnect trail, Catwalk, abandoned Juggernaut, new K1 lodge - guide

Went to Pico on Sunday morning to knock a couple items off my bucket list: Went up to the summit and started the day with a warmup run down all of KA, even the Lower section was open. I always enjoy the view from the top, which had been groomed: Then back up to the top to begin my trek to...

forums.alpinezone.com

I'm surprised there weren't any tracks on Juggernaut. I thought it would be popular with locals using nordic gear to escape the crowds.

 

[deadheadskier]

The couple of times we did the Bruce, we saved it for the last run of the day and stashed a car at the Matterhorn. Skied on the edge of Ranch Brook Rd to get there. Apres beers then go retrieve car at the mountain after.

 

[skiur]

I'm surprised there weren't any tracks on Juggernaut. I thought it would be popular with locals using nordic gear to escape the crowds.

Nobody ever skiied juggernaut more than once in there life.

 

[Smellytele]

Nobody ever skiied juggernaut more than once in there life.

The sunrise trail was pretty bad too. Flat with stream crossings (more than just water bars).

 

[eatskisleep]

Spruce cliffs at Sunday River used to be on the map. Not worth it unless you get first tracks though doesn’t hold snow well

 

[deadheadskier]

Nobody ever skiied juggernaut more than once in there life.

The one and only time I skied Juggernaut was in highschool, high on mushrooms. Also the only time I've skied on mushrooms. Anyone who has ever tried mushrooms, knows that time gets way distorted. I thought we were on that trail for like 5 hours. Haha