Any reason for no multiple Plan Passes..?

[bigbog]

Any of you guys enlighten me on this one. Why haven't we seen any multiple configs as far as passes with a specific mountain? I'll use Sugarloaf as an example...Boyne has their pass config with SundayRiver and some of their other NE mountains, but...as an example, why don't they create a spedcific Pass with JayPeak and (maybe) Sugarbush?
Legaleeze no doubt...y/n? ..Doesn't it seem like additional passes throughout the NE would stimulate more profit??

$.01,
SteveD

 

[Greg]

There are a few multi-mountain passes. The Triple Major student pass for example. Some passes also give you benefits at other mountains. A Sundown pass for example can be used to get a discount at Okemo. Also, while not a pass product, Hunter and Windham offer the Winter Card.

 

[frozencorn]

Nothing like this though....You would think Ski NH or Ski Vermont would try to put together something similar at a similar price point.

http://www.snow.com/epicpass/home.aspx

 

[rjc1976]

All of those are owned by the same company though (referring to the Vail pass). We don't really have any major company that owns as many resorts here in the east anymore. Back in the day we had ASC, and back there was a pass that worked at all of their mountains. I think the difficulty is getting different owners to work together. How do you split the profits? That's where the difficulty lies. Also, some mountains don't want to share their customers with others.

 

[deadheadskier]

Doesn't Jay offer a fairly significant discount to pass holders from other mountains? Cannon as well?

 

[snosharkrider]

okemo (adding mt sunappe too) and stratton have some share arrangement on passes. one can use the pass at all 3 ski areas. i have always been curious how the revenue sharing works out.

i had that colorado pass while in college in 1990. it was $200 for the whole season!

 

[frozencorn]

okemo (adding mt sunappe too) and stratton have some share arrangement on passes. one can use the pass at all 3 ski areas. i have always been curious how the revenue sharing works out.

i had that colorado pass while in college in 1990. it was $200 for the whole season!

Paid $300 back in the mid-90's for the Stowe-Sugarbush Big Pass while in college. No shared owner there.

 

[bigbog]

...It is happenning...

Thanks guys...good examples...Haven't looked at any NH or VT area websites very closely...only Boyne's...who hasn't, it seems, had any desire to do anything with Jay or Sugarbush..and/or maybe Stowe too...OR maybe the other way around..?
Would be nice for non-wealthy diehard skiers to be able to traverse northern NewEngland for powder..under one pass.
Seems as though there must be someone in these larger companies(or whatever they are) could invent some extra plans...to make more $$$ and provide more pow for the buck....
An actual 40hr workweek....hmm. I AM an optimist, but maybe I've just answered my own question... :lol: :lol:

$.01
STeveD

 

[bobbutts]

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Bold and Beautiful, weekday only
Cannon, Bretton Woods

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

Any of you guys enlighten me on this one. Why haven't we seen any multiple configs as far as passes with a specific mountain? I'll use Sugarloaf as an example...Boyne has their pass config with SundayRiver and some of their other NE mountains, but...as an example, why don't they create a spedcific Pass with JayPeak and (maybe) Sugarbush?
Legaleeze no doubt...y/n? ..Doesn't it seem like additional passes throughout the NE would stimulate more profit??

$.01,
SteveD

I sort of want a Blue Mountain/Stowe/Jackson Hole pass...but it just doesn't seem logical for most and I don't see how they could divide up the money...If I paid $1,000 for a Blue, Stowe, Jackson Hole pass...and I ski 10 days at Jackson Hole, 20 days at Stowe, and 70 days at Blue...should J-Hole get $100, Stowe get $200, and Blue get $700????? If resorts aren't under the same ownership or right next to each other the logistics are bad..I wish it could be combined..Like sometimes I want a slice of pizza and pork fried rice..if the chinese restaurant sold pizza..life would be so much better..lol..but I deal...

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

Paid $300 back in the mid-90's for the Stowe-Sugarbush Big Pass while in college. No shared owner there.

I don't know why they did away with that..I had one in 1997-98 but then it was discontinued..I'm guessing Stowe and Sugarbush split the revenue evenly..although I think more people went to Stowe..

 

[frozencorn]

I don't know why they did away with that..I had one in 1997-98 but then it was discontinued..I'm guessing Stowe and Sugarbush split the revenue evenly..although I think more people went to Stowe..

We split it up pretty evenly for the most part, but if I had to guess, it was probably 60-40 Stowe over the years.

 

[riverc0il]

I think a safe assumption is full privilege shared pass rights to mountains from different companies would seriously cut into profits. The more mountains, the less profitability per company on the pass. Most of the multi-mountain passes are within the same company so that one company gets all the profits and has a better marketing pitch and more product to offer. Most of the multi-mountain deals between multiple mountains (triple major, bold & Beautiful, etc.) are geared towards college students in a "sink or swim" environment since so many cheap offers exist. Or they are mid-week such as Cannon/Bretton and Burke/Jay. I can't think of any major resorts not operated by the same company that offer full multi-mountain shared season pass for every day of the week. It just can't be profitable to split up season pass costs between two or more players for the "bread and butter" whereas the lesser passes that are offered are just trying to get some market share during for a normally tough market to crack (mid-week and college).

 

[billski]

When the Saddleback rep was in town, he related to me that once upon a time consideration was being given to putting together a pass just for folks who wanted something fairly classic, simple but challenging, something of the same genre. So the idea emerged of a triple-play with Saddleback, Mad River (and I forgot the third, I think it was either Burke, Magic or Jay). A lot of people salivated over that one, but again, it's not mainstream mid-market.

It never went anywhere. I think it's because everyone has a different business plan and does not want to be linked with others they can't control. It's not always about money share - the money can be figured out. That is a classic business management conflict.

The other issue is that many of these mountains consider each other to be direct competitors and that leads to direct conflict. By simply putting a competitor's name on your marketing material, you are, to some extent , promoting them. As long as we have free market economics we'll have this conflict. As an example, does Stowe really want to be promoting Sugarbush on a dual-pass?
Oh well...

 

[4aprice]

I think a safe assumption is full privilege shared pass rights to mountains from different companies would seriously cut into profits. The more mountains, the less profitability per company on the pass. Most of the multi-mountain passes are within the same company so that one company gets all the profits and has a better marketing pitch and more product to offer. Most of the multi-mountain deals between multiple mountains (triple major, bold & Beautiful, etc.) are geared towards college students in a "sink or swim" environment since so many cheap offers exist. Or they are mid-week such as Cannon/Bretton and Burke/Jay. I can't think of any major resorts not operated by the same company that offer full multi-mountain shared season pass for every day of the week. It just can't be profitable to split up season pass costs between two or more players for the "bread and butter" whereas the lesser passes that are offered are just trying to get some market share during for a normally tough market to crack (mid-week and college).

I've always thought that some of the major resorts should team up with the feeder mountains down closer to the population centers on some sort of pass deal. I know as a pass holder to a local mountain, if a major mountain up north would team up with them I would be very likely to go there. Peak Resorts has a pass that does (BB/JF, Crotched, Mt Snow, and Attitash) this but I don't enjoy their resorts down this way so after considering it I passed. If a major mountain in New England would team up with Camelback (who have a solid # of pass holders) I can't see how it would hurt them even if the pass was somewhat restricted. I know I would be driven to go there.

Alex

Lake Hopatcong, NJ

 

[bobbutts]

I think a safe assumption is full privilege shared pass rights to mountains from different companies would seriously cut into profits. The more mountains, the less profitability per company on the pass. Most of the multi-mountain passes are within the same company so that one company gets all the profits and has a better marketing pitch and more product to offer. Most of the multi-mountain deals between multiple mountains (triple major, bold & Beautiful, etc.) are geared towards college students in a "sink or swim" environment since so many cheap offers exist. Or they are mid-week such as Cannon/Bretton and Burke/Jay. I can't think of any major resorts not operated by the same company that offer full multi-mountain shared season pass for every day of the week. It just can't be profitable to split up season pass costs between two or more players for the "bread and butter" whereas the lesser passes that are offered are just trying to get some market share during for a normally tough market to crack (mid-week and college).

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