EVs - New Hampshire gets it right

[icecoast1]

I think people want the Lightning, just not at that price point. Best looking EV out there because it actually looks like a truck. I suspect sales would be a lot different if they were MSRPing at the original launch price. More range would help too.

It's hard to want a truck that Ford tells you not to park in your garage because it might burn your house down.

Price is probably part of it but all trucks are insanely high

 

[Newpylong]

I doubt a rare (one time event) due to a manufacturing defect is having the effect that you describe.

I just don't see a big draw to pay the same (or more) amount as an ICE half ton with half the range. That said they just cut prices $10K as supply is picking up, so maybe the sales numbers will come up as well.

 

[zyk]

Question how is the range towing a tractor car boat etc... That would be my concern. My ice truck takes a beating on gas mileage but 34 gallon tank and I can fill up anywhere.
I do drive a hybrid for normal chores.

 

[Smellytele]

Didn’t I just read that the lightening pre orders for next year were all just canceled

I was a little off but...

Ford cancels dealer stock orders of 2023 F-150 Lightning to do quality checks

Ford Motor Co. needs to do additional quality review of 2023 Ford F-150 Lightning, which has disrupted dealer deliveries.

www.usatoday.com

 

[icecoast1]

Question how is the range towing a tractor car boat etc...

Range drops considerably when you hook a trailer to it, a main drawback of ev trucks currently. Not really a viable option for those that tow long distances

 

[bigbob]

Range drops considerably when you hook a trailer to it, a main drawback of ev trucks currently. Not really a viable option for those that tow long distances

Add in cold temps and you will be lucky to get 5 miles with a trailer!

 

[kbroderick]

Range drops considerably when you hook a trailer to it, a main drawback of ev trucks currently. Not really a viable option for those that tow long distances

In fairness, hooking an enclosed trailer to an ICE half ton kills the range as well (mine will do 700 miles comfortably on a full tank but 225 with a 16-foot enclosed trailer was pushing it). Obviously, refueling an ICE rig is quicker; without a trailer, that's less of an issue (being forced to take a longer break after 700 miles wouldn't be that much of a bummer).

 

[drjeff]

Range drops considerably when you hook a trailer to it, a main drawback of ev trucks currently. Not really a viable option for those that tow long distances

So many of the social media posts I see of "Happy" EV truck owners towing things, are the ones where the owners have their 200-300k wake boats on the trailer behind their EV truck, making the 50 mile or less trip to their local preferred body of water to spend the day surfing and socializing.

Can't say I have seen as many social media posts from EV truck owners towing their trailer of snowmobiles to their favorite trail access point to enjoy a day of riding and socializing.

EV's have their place for sure (heck in one sense via one of the earliest form of wide spead EV acceptance, golf carts, I have been using them for 40+ years now) but in some scenarios, ICE vehicles still have significant advantages.... And for full disclosure, the golf cart I actually own and store at the club I belong to is an ICE engine, mainly because my club doesn't have electric charging stations for both the clubs rental carts and the members carts storage area. Probably 1/2 the other courses I play at are electric golf carts

 

[Andrew B.]

So many of the social media posts I see of "Happy" EV truck owners towing things, are the ones where the owners have their 200-300k wake boats on the trailer behind their EV truck, making the 50 mile or less trip to their local preferred body of water to spend the day surfing and socializing.

Can't say I have seen as many social media posts from EV truck owners towing their trailer of snowmobiles to their favorite trail access point to enjoy a day of riding and socializing.

EV's have their place for sure (heck in one sense via one of the earliest form of wide spead EV acceptance, golf carts, I have been using them for 40+ years now) but in some scenarios, ICE vehicles still have significant advantages.... And for full disclosure, the golf cart I actually own and store at the club I belong to is an ICE engine, mainly because my club doesn't have electric charging stations for both the clubs rental carts and the members carts storage area. Probably 1/2 the other courses I play at are electric golf carts

I don’t see many courses around here with ICE carts any more. I can only think of one public course on all of the upper cape that even has them and they even have a few topples units still. Most of the private clubs now have the Bluetooth compatible carts with built in GPS screens. Our club doesn’t allow private cart usage. Pro gotta make his.

My ICE cart carry’s chairs and beers to the beach not golf clubs.

 

[1dog]

I was a little off but...

Ford cancels dealer stock orders of 2023 F-150 Lightning to do quality checks

Ford Motor Co. needs to do additional quality review of 2023 Ford F-150 Lightning, which has disrupted dealer deliveries.

www.usatoday.com

Here’s the sources of all that ‘clean ‘ power for those EV’s.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2023/10/USEIA-Chart.tiff

New England:

 

[Hawk]

I never considered EV Trucks as part of this depate. Of course you would not tow heavey weights with an electic vehicle. This is a passenger car debate as over 90 of people drive cars. I have no idea what Ford or any other manufacturer was thinking especially with the crowd that dirves trucks. Not exactly the EV type of consumer in my opinion.

 

[cdskier]

I never considered EV Trucks as part of this depate. Of course you would not tow heavey weights with an electic vehicle. This is a passenger car debate as over 90 of people drive cars. I have no idea what Ford or any other manufacturer was thinking especially with the crowd that dirves trucks. Not exactly the EV type of consumer in my opinion.

I'm not sure where the over 90% number comes from...but the national average is closer to 17% of cars on the road being pick-ups from the numbers I saw. At a state level, Wyoming wins with 37%. The surprise to me though is that NJ is at the bottom of the list with only 8%.

Still agreed though that pick-up drivers/owners don't seem like the ideal EV consumer type... But to meet goals eventually, they're going to have to find a way to win these people over, so it does make sense to test the waters and see what happens.

 

[1dog]

Those goals- net zero- are unattainable in the short run and do not ‘fix’ the problem.

If they (we) can’t be won over w subsidies , what’s left?

Ford. It was all that taxpayer cash and threatening regs that drove them and many other businesses to head down this EV road.

As most shareholders expect, a well-run business will provide income in the long term.

Not sure they had a choice tho.

I’m certain I would not have purchased a hybrid without the subsidy.
$6800 made it enticing and affordable.

 

[Smellytele]

Those goals- net zero- are unattainable in the short run and do not ‘fix’ the problem.

If they (we) can’t be won over w subsidies , what’s left?

Ford. It was all that taxpayer cash and threatening regs that drove them and many other businesses to head down this EV road.

As most shareholders expect, a well-run business will provide income in the long term.

Not sure they had a choice tho.

I’m certain I would not have purchased a hybrid without the subsidy.
$6800 made it enticing and affordable.

Do you have a plug-in hybrid?

 

[1dog]

Do you have a plug-in hybrid?

Yes

 

[Smellytele]

Yes

ahh. As regular hybrids do not get the tax break.

 

[BodeMiller1]

It's hard to want a truck that Ford tells you not to park in your garage because it might burn your house down.

Price is probably part of it but all trucks are insanely high

It's hard to want a truck that Ford tells you not to park in your garage because it might burn your house down.

Hmmm , how will this effect the cost of insuring the truck. Going to need to sleep on this one, butt ....


Okay, I got it. Buy Ford stock because you can light your smoking things with the truck. Yesterday when I was young, we had lighters in the ash tray. So now I can light a joint directly off the truck and collect insurance money from burning the house down. Something seems like it might not be on the up and up?

Please advise

 

[BodeMiller1]

Those goals- net zero- are unattainable in the short run and do not ‘fix’ the problem.

If they (we) can’t be won over w subsidies , what’s left?

Ford. It was all that taxpayer cash and threatening regs that drove them and many other businesses to head down this EV road.

As most shareholders expect, a well-run business will provide income in the long term.

Not sure they had a choice tho.

I’m certain I would not have purchased a hybrid without the subsidy.
$6800 made it enticing and affordable.

This movement was started by bureaucrats, lobbyists and others. Not a bad idea, foul air warming planet, yoga pants and other horrible things need to be addressed. But it seems to have gone off the rails. I like hybrids, driven a few and the MPG is unreal.

 

[HowieT2]

Relevant to (much) earlier comments in this thread - Ford 3Q23 Lightning EV numbers out today, and they're terrible again.

F-Series (gas): 186,974 units sold
Lightning EV: 3,503 units sold

Even worse? That tiny number is actually a large decline from theprior anemic 2Q23 sales (fyi, healthy launch product sales should increase, not decline).

You can simultaneously support EV technology and be anti-fossil fuel which acknowledging the truth on the ground. It's diametrically opposite from the glowing praise Ford receives in the media. RIVN isnt doing much better with only about 50,000 units sold in 2 years, and they actually have a pretty cool truck.

Currently, people just don't want these things. I'm interested to see how the upcoming Cybertruck launch goes. That thing is ugly as sin, but does have some cool nouveau features, and I suspect it will appeal to teenage boys & TSLA fanboys of the world. TSLA also benefits from the self-righteous appeal, which is a weird, but very real, aspect of EV sales.

Those numbers are misleading. Ford shut down what limited production they had going for the electric f150. Rivian has not been able to scale up production either. Theyre both selling all the vehicles they're producing. Its not a demand issue and the rivian starts at over 70k. GM has started to sell their electric pickups too but also in very small numbers that are being produced. Why the likes of ford and gm havent been able to ramp up production is puzzling.

I don't get this hostility to electric vehicles. If you don't want one, keep driving your ice vehicle and spending whatever it is on gas. I'm looking forward to the day when I'm not spending 3-400/month on gas. I'm sure there were plenty of people who loved their horses and buggies and hated the advent of the automobile.

 

[Smellytele]

Those numbers are misleading. Ford shut down what limited production they had going for the electric f150. Rivian has not been able to scale up production either. Theyre both selling all the vehicles they're producing. Its not a demand issue and the rivian starts at over 70k. GM has started to sell their electric pickups too but also in very small numbers that are being produced. Why the likes of ford and gm havent been able to ramp up production is puzzling.

I don't get this hostility to electric vehicles. If you don't want one, keep driving your ice vehicle and spending whatever it is on gas. I'm looking forward to the day when I'm not spending 3-400/month on gas. I'm sure there were plenty of people who loved their horses and buggies and hated the advent of the automobile.

People back then were just happy the road wasn't covered it horse shit anymore. Although people did lose their shit picking up jobs.