HELP-- anybody know if this feedback RE s from a ski shop regarding tuning is true?

[Warp Daddy]

I got my answer guys thanks !

BTW i hung up my referee's shirt and whistle a helluva longtime ago

One thing's for damn sure i can't ski bumps worth a crap, So any thoughts i have on that topic would be useless as tits on a bull . Thanks again for all the help

Warp

 

[Greg]

I got my answer guys thanks !

BTW i hung up my referee's shirt and whistle a helluva longtime ago

One thing's for damn sure i can't ski bumps worth a crap, So any thoughts i have on that topic would be useless as tits on a bull . Thanks again for all the help

Warp

Sweet. And with that, this thread has as much potential as any Killington hater thread.... :lol:

 

[deadheadskier]

I have no friggin' idea, but I do feel that skis can be "overtuned" or perhaps constant tuning is "overrated". Look at it any way you want, but based on my totally unscientific opinion, I do feel that unless you're a guy like WoodCore that really knows how to ski the edge of the ski and has been doing so for years, or are in a race program, agonizing about how well your skis are tuned each outing is probably overkill. For 90%+ of the skier population a good "shop tune" every 10-20 days is probably adequate. I'm also one of the guys that firmly believes that if you think you need a perfect tune every time out, you're skiing the wrong kind of snow. But I'm also a carving hack, so what do I know...? :lol:

I'm not sure I agree. I wouldn't even go as far as to say I'm even a 'good' carver, but I did notice a fair difference between the bite I had on hardpack my first day out this season and what I felt I had yesterday.

I lack the time and workshop to tune my skis regularly these days, but in High School I'd tune pretty much every two to three days. I think it makes a big difference. Some of that maybe mental though and just trusting when I set an edge it will hold.

 

[Greg]

I'm not sure I agree. I wouldn't even go as far as to say I'm even a 'good' carver, but I did notice a fair difference between the bite I had on hardpack my first day out this season and what I felt I had yesterday.

I lack the time and workshop to tune my skis regularly these days, but in High School I'd tune pretty much every two to three days. I think it makes a big difference. Some of that maybe mental though and just trusting when I set an edge it will hold.

Well, you're FAR from the average skier. So let's put that into perspective. And I'm not making any inference whatsoever as what kind of skier Warp is since I've never seen him ski, but I think for most average skiers, insisting on a perfect tune every few ski days is overkill. It's kind of like the intermediate/upper intermediate skier that spends boatloads of money on expert gear that really can be better spent elsewhere.

This is all just my opinion, and I freely admit that in many respects, I'm a hack, particularly in regards to carving/tunes/etc. since that form of skiing in general is somewhat uninteresting to me. So in a way, despite his lame internet tough guy approach of trying to communicate with intelligent life forms, iMuscle might actually have a point. :razz:

 

[deadheadskier]

Well a softgoods parallel would be that Columbia clothing has suited me just fine over the years. Many internet pros insist it's crap, so what do I know. :lol:

Thanks for the complement. I'd love to vastly improve my carving ability though and work with someone like Woodcore on that sort of thing. Having the right gear that is properly tuned for such skiing would help a lot. The B2s don't cut it for that.

 

[Greg]

Well a softgoods parallel would be that Columbia clothing has suited me just fine over the years. Many internet pros insist it's crap, so what do I know. :lol:

Adidas windpants. What?!?!? :lol:

 

[deadheadskier]

Adidas windpants. What?!?!? :lol:

yeah, 2knees is the gaperking skidding turns all over the mountain in his MChammer parachute windpants. :lol:

 

[jrmagic]

For moguls, powder and relatively soft snow conditions it doesn't really matter much but you can definitely feel a big difference on hard snow if your edges suck. I usually get mine to the shop every 8-10 days and if I'm skiing hard snow, I will spend a couple of minutes at the end of the day and hand tune them to at least remove the burrs.

 

[Geoff]

I think the posts about "over grinding" your skis are a crock. I have a season tune. Mine go on the Wintersteiger wet sander all the time. The bottoms are already flat so they don't remove much material. I knock all the camber out of the ski long before I've chewed through the steel on the edges. I have a bunch of pairs of skis in my basement that look perfect but have no life left in them at all and the bushings in the toes of the bindings are all wobbly. At 75 or 80 days, a wood core ski in my quiver becomes a rock ski.

 

[leejoooo]

I have tuned literally thousands of pair of skis in my 8 yrs of ski bumming.. both on the east and west coast, on the east coast the most important thing is keeping you edges smooth ie burr free and bases waxed very regularly as the man made snow literally rips the base of your skis similar to sandpaper

as for your edges being off the snow its all preferance, speed skiers like in downhill and super g quite often can even have the edges recessed a bit from the base in order to reduce drag, while slalom races will have them flat to the base with no angle in order to have increased response time. As long as your base is flat and the edge is not lower then the the base your good. if the edge is lower then the base then the ski will become unstable and grabby its really common on the east coast especially on rental skis as the hard snow eats away at th the base close to the edges causing a convex effect.

Basically i get my skis fully tuned once a year including a good stone grind and debur (diamond stone) and wax them every 5-10 skis days, i coach probably 30-40days a year if you dont want a stone grind and your shop is belt tuning ie sanding the base just to sharpen the edges they are being lazy they can hand tune them. its not good to belt sand a ski and then not stone grind it.... the base becomes furry and will a) not be as fast b) not be as easy or predicable to turn, c) will not hold wax near as long. We call that a Rental tune.. cause we only do that to rental skis. plus you can do like 30 pair an hour. cheers