Killington Rumor?

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

the new ownersof killington can bite me:uzi:, how can powdr screw the resort that badly by opening in late november and closing in mid april. All for just a god damn profit. Killington was the only resort in the east that rivaled the western ones. It always took a stand to sometimes even open before the western resorts. k im gonna stop before i get into a senseless rant.

come on keep ranting..it's not senseless I want to hear it..

 

[Killington]

You will have to wait and see. The world's most extensive snow making system is charged and ready to go!!

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

You will have to wait and see. The world's most extensive snow making system is charged and ready to go!!

woo hoo..and Spinmaster was talking about snowmaking temps this week...

 

[RootDKJ]

the new ownersof killington can bite me:uzi:, how can powdr screw the resort that badly by opening in late november and closing in mid april. All for just a god damn profit. Killington was the only resort in the east that rivaled the western ones. It always took a stand to sometimes even open before the western resorts. k im gonna stop before i get into a senseless rant.

so does that mean you don't ski there anymore?

 

[WoodCore]

There are easier/eariler opening strategies they could persue, but seem to refuse so far:

- Using the superstar trail pod to open, much less snowmaking needed.
- Trucking to up/down loading on the canyon quad
- Installing a temporary handle tow on upper downdraft, using the K-1 for up and down loading, with skiing off the North ridge triple.
- Another upper mountain lift returing to the K-1 top.

How about a simple mid-station (loading only) on the K1! It's entirely possible and would provide direct access (upload/download) to all the high elevation lift pods including the SRT.

 

[SpinmasterK]

Thank you spinmaster. I also have a question for you if you have the time to answer.

How many days of continuos snowmaking does it take Killington to open up a trail(s) for lift serviced skiing and riding? Thank you.

It really depends upon the weather. With optimal conditions and round the clock snowmaking, 8-10 days.
Currently the ground is really warm, so we need a few hard freezes so we don't see ground-up melting once snowmaking begins.

 

[SpinmasterK]

You will have to wait and see. The world's most extensive snow making system is charged and ready to go!!

Ready to go - yes! Charged? No, not yet!

 

[RootDKJ]

Two fantastic answers from Spin in the same day! Hopefully this trend will continue

 

[2knees]

Killington was the only resort in the east that rivaled the western ones. .

:lol:

 

[Highway Star]

It really depends upon the weather. With optimal conditions and round the clock snowmaking, 8-10 days.

No, not really.

Optimal conditions for 8-10 days straight, round the clock, is vitually impossible to have until the heart of mid-winter. Spread out, it probably takes Killington until early December to see 200 hours below 20 degrees. And unless Killington's snowmaking capacity has decreased from 80 acre feet per day, that's enough snowmaking to open half the mountain's snowmaking trails....really....which is pretty much what they have by mid-December.

So either your wrong, you're sandbagging us, or the capacity is actually down.

My estimates are entirely more realistic.

While I may think the K-1 opening is incredibly absurd and difficult, it is not THAT difficult. If it truely took 8-10 days of round the clock optimal temps, they would literally not open until December.

 

[Highway Star]

You will have to wait and see. The world's most extensive snow making system is charged and ready to go!!

Welcome to A-zone, skiingsnow.

 

[Killington]

Here at Killington we strive for a quality opening day product. Unlike some of our competitors. Last year we were able to have more terrain on opening day. I think your snow making predictions are ludicrous. Half of my mountain cannot be covered in 8-10 days.

 

[RootDKJ]

No, not really.

Optimal conditions for 8-10 days straight, round the clock, is vitually impossible to have until the heart of mid-winter. Spread out, it probably takes Killington until early December to see 200 hours below 20 degrees. And unless Killington's snowmaking capacity has decreased from 80 acre feet per day, that's enough snowmaking to open half the mountain's snowmaking trails....really....which is pretty much what they have by mid-December.

So either your wrong, you're sandbagging us, or the capacity is actually down.

My estimates are entirely more realistic.

While I may think the K-1 opening is incredibly retarded and difficult, it is not THAT difficult. If it truely took 8-10 days of round the clock optimal temps, they would literally not open until December.

What do you have a degree in the thermal dynamics of snowmaking systems?

 

[Highway Star]

Here at Killington we strive for a quality opening day product. Unlike some of our competitors. Last year we were able to have more terrain on opening day. I think your snow making predictions are ludicrous. Half of my mountain cannot be covered in 8-10 days.

Obviously you don't know what you're taking about. Lets do the math.

Killington + Pico = ~750 snowmaking acres.

Minus ~150 snowmaking acres at Pico.

Killington = 600 snowmaking acres.

Killington's claimed capacitys:

80 acre ft per day
720000 gallons per hour

(720,000 gal/hr) x (24 hr)
------------------------------------ = 216000 gal per acre-ft
80 acre-ft

Now.....not to get sidetracked here, but that level of snow density is pretty much crap. Solid, heavy, wet crap. Sound familiar? That's the kind of snow Killington makes when they don't use enough air, in marginal temps.

In OPTIMAL temps, below 20F wetbulb, even Killington can produce snow in the 180k gal/acre-ft range. Decent man-made snow. Not as good as FAN GUN snow, like say, MT. SNOW produces....but, more or less acceptable....! That's 4 acre feet per hour.

Anyway, in 8 days, or 192 hours at OPTIMAL temps, Killington should be able to produce 750+ acre feet of snow. Which is enough for 2-1/2 feet on 300 acres. Which is half the snowmaking terrain....the flatter half, which is openable on that amount of snow. Steeper trails with more rocks require 5+ feet of snow to open them, and much more snowmaking. But they could certainly open every mountain area, and half the snowmaking terrain.

(skiingsnow = FAIL!!!)

Oh, and last year, from what I heard, Mt. Snow had a better opening than you did, and it was 1 week earlier. If you want good skiing early, go to Mt. Snow.

 

[Killington]

Have you ever made snow? Worked at a resort? Been on a snow making team? Gotten a tour by one of our snow making experts? You are mistaken about who I am.

 

[Highway Star]

BTW, Killington's current seasonal snowmaking output is right around 2500-3,000 acre ft of snow. In other words, running the system full bore for around 5-6 weeks. This is obviously spread out between late October and early February.

 

[RootDKJ]

Highway - do you even ski at Killington?

 

[Highway Star]

Have you ever made snow? Worked at a resort? Been on a snow making team? Gotten a tour by one of our snow making experts? You are mistaken about who I am.

Nope! But why would I want to?

Don't give me the "I'm an industry insider so I know more about everything than you" BS line. I'm not impressed. There many great people in the industry, and many, many more who are NOT.

Aside from the actual implementation of the hardware, snowmaking is at best entry level engineering. Yah got snowguns, pipes, compressors, pumps and water....do the math.

Put up or shut up buddy. Lets see some hard numbers refuting my claims.

 

[Highway Star]

Highway - do you even ski at Killington?

Silly POD.

 

[millerm277]

You are mistaken about who I am.

So, why don't you clear that up for us?