Mogul Ski..Schmogul Ski?

[mondeo]

I'll bet its coming out of the same mold as their Jr GS race ski...same dimensions and lengths.

There's really not much money to be made in bump skis...the top bumpers get multiple pairs for free, all the other athletes get them on a comp form, almost all you mogul freaks only buy them online when they're 50% off...I'd be surprised if more than 10% of bump skis are sold through a retailer at a normal price. If the retailers aren't going to buy them in pre-season, most manufacurers can't afford to make them.

But I'm talking about how this negatively effects me! No room for rational thought here!

Yeah, very similar dimensions to the Rossi bump ski, which is basically the Jr GS ski without metal. Really wish the Twister had a tad less sidecut, I'd just stockpile them (assuming they're still available this year.) Might go with the Volkl previous gen ski, right sidecut but a little stiffer than I'm looking for at the moment - but might be right once I get a bit better.

 

[deadheadskier]

At least they're still making a bump ski (even if it looks like a powder ski ;-)). 105/65/88 for the '10 vs. 89/63/78 for the '09. No turn radius listed for the '10. I would assume the greater curve gives a shorter turn radius for the new model?

I prefer the '10 dimensions. Very similar to my Rossi BX. Kind of wish I bought a second pair of those two springs ago.

I can also see why ski manufacturers are reluctant to build bumps skis. Might be a good niche for that guy with 333 skis to go after.

 

[Greg]

Still some 175s and 168s:

http://shop.aspeneast.com/browse.cfm/4,3051.html

No new skis for me this year. Pretty much all set on equipment, but might upgrade some of the soft goods.

 

[Philpug]

As I said in my earlier post, mogul skis are getting more sidecut, the hart F17 was one of the first GS based bump skis. Hart us now releasing the F17WC, this is the same ski that Patrick Deneen is skiing, the regular F17 is what Michael Morse is on.

 

[powbmps]

As I said in my earlier post, mogul skis are getting more sidecut, the hart F17 was one of the first GS based bump skis. Hart us now releasing the F17WC, this is the same ski that Patrick Deneen is skiing, the regular F17 is what Michael Morse is on.

Anyone have any thoughts as to why they are going with more sidecut?

 

[mondeo]

As I said in my earlier post, mogul skis are getting more sidecut, the hart F17 was one of the first GS based bump skis. Hart us now releasing the F17WC, this is the same ski that Patrick Deneen is skiing, the regular F17 is what Michael Morse is on.

Hmmm, F17WC is 99-66-87. Where have I seen about that sidecut before? Like a 98-66-85...

It's too short, though. Need a 182 length.

 

[powbmps]

Hmmm, F17WC is 99-66-87. Where have I seen about that sidecut before? Like a 98-66-85...

It's too short, though. Need a 182 length.

Good catch Mondeo. Interesting that Deenan is going back to less sidecut.

 

[Philpug]

Hmmm, F17WC is 99-66-87. Where have I seen about that sidecut before? Like a 98-66-85...

It's too short, though. Need a 182 length.

No coincidence.

Good catch Mondeo. Interesting that Deenan is going back to less sidecut.

Patrick has been skiing that sidecut for a while. Where the skis differ is in the beefier construction of the hart.

 

[jack97]

Good catch Mondeo. Interesting that Deenan is going back to less sidecut.

Patrick has been skiing that sidecut for a while. Where the skis differ is in the beefier construction of the hart.

it's b/c Deneen skied on the twister originally.... as powbmps stated, it always comes back to the twister.

 

[o3jeff]

Stumbled across these, bit pricey.
http://www.suburbansport.com/elblcomoski2.html

 

[riverc0il]

Looking into it more, though, looks like it's another bump ski that just happens to double as a park ski. A little wide (71,) but no fatter at the tip than the Rossis or Harts. It's the Babic pro model.

That is fatter at the waist than my old race skis. Definitely not the width I think of a mogul skiing being. Makes total sense the ski manufacturers are doubling up park and mogul skis. The two segments go really well together and I am surprised the market and skier demographics have not moved towards a better combination of mogul and park segments.

 

[mondeo]

Stumbled across these, bit pricey.
http://www.suburbansport.com/elblcomoski2.html

That'll probably be the replacement for my Twisters when they need replacing. I was just there today looking at them, little bit stiffer than the Twister but softer than Cabrawlers, and I like the sidecut. Introduced last year, they're Plake's ski.

That is fatter at the waist than my old race skis. Definitely not the width I think of a mogul skiing being. Makes total sense the ski manufacturers are doubling up park and mogul skis. The two segments go really well together and I am surprised the market and skier demographics have not moved towards a better combination of mogul and park segments.

I wish there were more crossover skis, but the ski design for park vs. bumps is actually a bit different. Bumps you want narrow for edge to edge quickness, stiff tails to help recover from the backseat, and soft tips to absorb energy when directed into a bump. Park skis are wider for better landings and stability on rails, soft tails to butter, and stiffer majority of the ski to take landings better. I've flexed a decent number of park skis over the last couple weeks, none are the flex pattern I'm looking for.

 

[powhunter]

Just bought some twisters from Aspen East...Was gonna go with the F17s..but got some good reviews from Mondeo, Greg, and Jeffy

steveo

 

[Greg]

Just bought some twisters from Aspen East...Was gonna go with the F17s..but got some good reviews from Mondeo, Greg, and Jeffy

steveo

Nice!

I really like the Twisters. I don't really have much of a desire to try any other mogul ski. Happy with the Kryptons too so at least now I don't have equipment to blame for my crappy technique. :lol:

One other comment if you're is not interested in a dedicated bump ski, give an older Legend 8000 a try. There were times when I preferred it in the bumps over my Twisters or Cabrawlers. Good in bumps and a decent deeper snow ski. They suck on hard pack though.

 

[Madroch]

Just bought some twisters from Aspen East...Was gonna go with the F17s..but got some good reviews from Mondeo, Greg, and Jeffy

steveo

Sweet!

Another AZer (lurker) was ogling my Twisters this weekend and will probably be visiting Apeneast before too long. Greg or Mondeo or whoever first tagged that shop should get some love for the AZ business.

On a side note-- Damn- the PX12s are some HEAVY bindings. Am replacing the bindings on my RX6's (a ski that actually did okay in the bumps for a shaped carver-- due to its softness) and compared the weight of the RFII's going onto that ski with the PX12s going onto the twisters-- YIKES.

 

[powbmps]

Nice! Substantial savings too, I would guess.

Just bought some twisters from Aspen East...Was gonna go with the F17s..but got some good reviews from Mondeo, Greg, and Jeffy

steveo