PSA: 2024-2025 Ikon Renewal

[thetrailboss]

For a lawyer, you have pretty poor reading comprehension a convenient willful ignorance of nuance. Go back to not making partner and bitching about your poor life choices.

Now here is where the nuance steps in. Instead of quotes from 4 years ago out of context, here is the reality. Jackson immediately put a cap on visitation, fixed the crowding problem. It is also a premier area and is the selling point of the pass, not some mid tier like solitude next to a population base of 1.5 million people. It is not an apples to oranges comparison. But yet here you are complaining about charging for parking (deal with it, its a limited resource. Pricing changes when the pass is still cheaper than anything there previously for similar access, and a myriad of other shit that every fast growing area deals with that you are a direct contributor to making worse.

Like it or not, SLC is going to have crowding issues that aren't going to get solved if Alterra goes away. You still have the backcountry nimbys that prevent any sort of interconnect solution between resorts. You have the water issue, where those mountains provide all the water to rely on to survive. You have access issues where every resort is in a dead end canyon with avalanche danger. And you have the ignorance issue, which is you.

My advice: move again if you hate it so much. I moved to a ski area 2 minutes from my house with zero lift lines, good times, and a dearth of jaded locals like you fucking things up for the rest of us. Its refreshing.

You're trolling.

 

[AdironRider]

Or just disagree with you. All you do it bitch on this forum about Vail and Alterra and they aren't the villains you claim them to be. Literally every metric from skier visits, overall participation, revenue, you name it has improved for the industry since these guys did their thing. You just are the old guy yelling at clouds at this point.

 

[thetrailboss]

Or just disagree with you.

The ad hominem attacks and trolling are completely uncalled for. I've warned you.

 

[AdironRider]

And you insulting my career isn't? Again, I disagree with you and you need to come to terms with that.

 

[thetrailboss]

And you insulting my career isn't? Again, I disagree with you and you need to come to terms with that.

You don't disagree. You make it personal. You troll. Stop.

As to me calling you and your business out, over the years it is the only thing that stops you. And it only comes after you insult me and others.

 

[AdironRider]

Whatever bud, you insulted me and my industry then claim I can't do the same to you? Great look.

Continue your misery or make lemonade. Those are your choices. You can decide.

 

[thetrailboss]

Whatever bud, you insulted me and my industry then claim I can't do the same to you? Great look.

Continue your misery or make lemonade. Those are your choices. You can decide.

Stop. Just stop.

 

[thetrailboss]

Back to the regularly scheduled program.......

Sounds like most of you are renewing. I am seeing some hand wringing on social media about price increases.

 

[cdskier]

Back to the regularly scheduled program.......

Sounds like most of you are renewing. I am seeing some hand wringing on social media about price increases.

LOL. Seriously? As is it is still under-priced. No problem from my perspective if those people choose not to renew and go elsewhere.

 

[NYDB]

LOL. Seriously? As is it is still under-priced. No problem from my perspective if those people choose not to renew and go elsewhere.

Yeah, I wonder what these peoples other hobbies are. Shit is still super cheap compared to many other recreational activities.

 

[cdskier]

Yeah, I wonder what these peoples other hobbies are. Shit is still super cheap compared to many other recreational activities.

And still cheaper than many individual season passes were just a few short years ago! I'm still paying less for Ikon than I was for only Sugarbush before Alterra bought them.

 

[thetrailboss]

LOL. Seriously? As is it is still under-priced. No problem from my perspective if those people choose not to renew and go elsewhere.

I know. It is what some think apparently.

 

[4aprice]

Back to the regularly scheduled program.......

Sounds like most of you are renewing. I am seeing some hand wringing on social media about price increases.

I don't like having to spend more money any more then anyone else, however, the pass has become a necessity in our lives because of where we do our skiing and I'll still be buying it. Unless they bring back the Rocky Mountain Super Pass I'll be Ikon for a long time. One year I'll splurge on an Epic too. Still cheaper then the college tuitions I paid for my kids

 

[abc]

Yeah, I wonder what these peoples other hobbies are. Shit is still super cheap compared to many other recreational activities.

Other hobbies: cross country skiing.

You’re suggesting the IKON pass is super cheap in comparison?

 

[NYDB]

Other hobbies: cross country skiing.

You’re suggesting the IKON pass is super cheap in comparison?

I'm talking about regular, normal people.

 

[djd66]

omg, there is a cast of characters in this place!

 

[abc]

I'm talking about regular, normal people.

Ice fishing? Or is that abnormal also?

 

[letitsnow1]

People buy $20,000 side by sides and snowmobiles to go ice fishing. Just like skiing you can do it cheap or you can spend big bucks

 

[BenedictGomez]

Oh look, it's this hypocrite who argues both sides of the same coin (again)! This dude LOVES to argue on teh inturneht.

I hate Ikon just as much as the next guy, exclusively due to the crowding it brings

last year literally everyone had banner years, the only variance was Ikon.

Upgrading the Casper lift and adding Teton did not drive hundreds of thousands of people to show up here, mountain collective and Ikon have.

Retail and F&B are down revenue wise despite the increase in visits. The juice is not worth the squeeze ......

Call it entitlement, but when you go from being the premier resort in the country to taking anyone and their mother who shows up is going to change the locals opinion. We had a great system for lift mazes, now its just a bunch of ikoners cutting lines. This never happened before.

We are also in a major housing crunch and there is no staff to handle this increase in people. The product has suffered as a result. No one likes this

 

[BenedictGomez]

it is pretty funny to see Benedict's total lack of self awareness and act like the know it all local when he hasn't even been there a full ski season yet. For a guy that knows everything you'd think he'd know how dumb that is.

What arguement are you inventing?

Days I've skied at Solitude this year = 0
Day I've skied at Jackson Hole this year = 0
Days I've skied at Alta this year = 0
Days I've skied at Crystal Mountain this year = 0
Days I've skied at Snowbird this year = 0
Days I've skied at Deer Valley this year = 0
Days I've skied at all the other IKON resorts coast-to-coast which people are currently complaining of the nouveau crowding at = 0

So no, this has had no impact on my life, nor do I know what "local argument" you're inventing that I'm speaking of. My "argument" is holistic, not local, and pertains to any ski area that is either a "destination resort" or a resort near a large metro area. At this point, this is entirely self-evident and completely obvious to anyone other than fools or those in the weird fanboy denial category that @EPB spoke of.

That said, I'm smart enough to realize it's impacting others lives, especially when they have decades experience at these places and almost unanimously confirm the negative impact. You're not even smart enough to realize your words completely disagree with......... your own words.