Sugarbush

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

JD is my hero..

 

[JD]

Thanks steeze. You're mine too. For your unabashed honesty and willingness to be yourself despite what we all must think of you. You're welcome too BM.

 

[Tin Woodsman]

But why don't they count snow that falls before their lifts start?

I love it. You spew about how SB misleads customers with its snow reporting, and yet you turn around and ask why they wouldn't count pre-season snowfall. Really? so it's perfectly legitimate to count snow that falls, and then completely melts in an October rain and is gone before opening day? I mean, sure this is what Stowe and Jay do, but why should everyone else subscribe to such a misleading practice? Should they also count a freak 3" snowfall in late May after they've closed for the year?

Try to be a tad consistent in your rants.

 

[Tin Woodsman]

Golf? Please. Seriously though....Why should ski areas not count all the snow they get. I skiied 20 inches of pow on Whiteface and Mansfield oct. 29th and 30th. I can assure you it was very real, and counted in my book. Oh, I know why now, they don't count it because they don't like to let people ski it...gottcha.


I was thinking about Sugarbush's resistance to people touring the area and it's result. (heard someone else got chased away from north this w/e just today) On some other forums there is some seious stoke (TGR East Coast thread) being posted about areas by people who have been going and hiking for the goods, hunting it out and posting pics of some of the awsome turns they found. Yes, these Mtns. had operations going on on the trails being skiied. Guns were in place. Cats were driving around the base areas, there was no hassel. As a result, the resorts benefit from INSANE free advertising of INSANE conditions. You think this doesn't sway people on what Mtn. they're gonna hit up this W/E. Other mountains....cough cough...have NO stoke posted and only comments about how is was a bust there on Sunday, or threads about how bummed employees were about not being able to line up for first chair and how they can get terminated for hiking for turns...anyone got a bush handbook handy? ALSO...do certain areas really think that the people that are getting up and skiing under their own power are the kind of folks who are gonna sue if they get hurt??? Utterly rediculous. The people who are gonna sue are the folks who buy day passed, fall on ice and break a hip, not back country skiers looking for a little early season POW. I would gladly tour at the bush over Stowe or MRG since it is way more convienient for me before or after work, and I would crow about how sick it was (if it was) and how cool the place was for being cool about it (if it was) as much as I crow about everything, which we all know is alot. But, I don't, because they aren't, and it hasen't been despite misleading reports that it might be. His loss really. That's why MRG is so rad, and Mansfield is so Rad, And Burke, And Bolton, And the Snow Bowl. And Jay. Because they are cool, and the skiing is great preseason sometimes, and they let us, even facilitate our shredding, and put pics of it on their site...
anyway...golf? It's for old people.

1) LP is on USFS land. Which of the other VT ski areas you've skinned up fall into this category? Good luck with that question.

2) Please do stay away. I beg you. More snow for the rest of the pre-season skinners who know how to be discreet. Like these guys who look pretty bummed with the SB policy.

Glad you are allying in an Axis of ReRe with Steeze. Birds of a feather...

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

I love it. You spew about how SB misleads customers with its snow reporting, and yet you turn around and ask why they wouldn't count pre-season snowfall. Really? so it's perfectly legitimate to count snow that falls, and then completely melts in an October rain and is gone before opening day? I mean, sure this is what Stowe and Jay do, but why should everyone else subscribe to such a misleading practice? Should they also count a freak 3" snowfall in late May after they've closed for the year?

Try to be a tad consistent in your rants.

I think ski areas should count early season snowfall in their annual snow stats..along with late season snowfall..When a ski area whether in Vermont or Utah announces how much snow fell in the 2008-09 season an October or May snowfall should count..some of us are up there enjoying the goodness. A freak 3 inch May snowfall is part of their annual snowfall and in Vermont it usually snows in May..

 

[Tin Woodsman]

I think ski areas should count early season snowfall in their annual snow stats..along with late season snowfall..When a ski area whether in Vermont or Utah announces how much snow fell in the 2008-09 season an October or May snowfall should count..some of us are up there enjoying the goodness. A freak 3 inch May snowfall is part of their annual snowfall and in Vermont it usually snows in May..

Yes, some non-customers do get up and enjoy the snow, but what does that matter to the business the company is in? They sell lift tickets, food and condos to people who come to ski when the lifts are spinning. If you want to figure out how much precip they get over the course of the year, contact the USGS or NOAA or something. If you want to find out how much snow they get when it matters - i.e. when the lifts are spinning - then count snowfall during the season only.

Why does it matter that it snowed 6" in early October only to melt the next day? Does it count if no one gets to ski it? Or is it that they COULD have skied it, and there it counts despite occurring a month before the lifts spun? Either way, it's misleading as hell for their actual customers, and completely goes against everything JD was ranting about. This can only lead one to believe that he's a little of, or he's just trolling. Neither characterization is all that flattering.

 

[deadheadskier]

Personally, when it comes to snowfall reporting, all I want to read about is base depth and how much snow has fallen in the last seven days, 48 hours and 24 hours. Season totals are telling, but ultimately only matter in a magazine article the following summer reflecting back on the season that was.

base depth and recent snow is what matters NOW

 

[Tin Woodsman]

Personally, when it comes to snowfall reporting, all I want to read about is base depth and how much snow has fallen in the last seven days, 48 hours and 24 hours. Season totals are telling, but ultimately only matter in a magazine article the following summer reflecting back on the season that was.

base depth and recent snow is what matters NOW

Couldn't agree more.

That said, when you're making your vacation plans weeks/months in advance, you don't have that information available to you. In those circumstances, and you must admit they are frequent, annual snowfall is what you're going to need to rely upon. The closer you get to your trip, the more relevant current data like base depths. recent snowfall and trail counts become. I'm encouraged by Sugarbush's good start to the season, for example because I'll be up over the Holidays. That said, I am much more secure in the knowledge that it generally gets 60% more snow than Jiminy Peak with respect to my optimism for the trip, than I am about what snow may be on the ground now. I can assure you that when I made my plans two weeks ago and the ground was bare, that the ratio was almost entirely skewed towards annual snowfall. I don't believe I'm alone in that sentiment.

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

Yes, some non-customers do get up and enjoy the snow, but what does that matter to the business the company is in? They sell lift tickets, food and condos to people who come to ski when the lifts are spinning. If you want to figure out how much precip they get over the course of the year, contact the USGS or NOAA or something. If you want to find out how much snow they get when it matters - i.e. when the lifts are spinning - then count snowfall during the season only.

Why does it matter that it snowed 6" in early October only to melt the next day? Does it count if no one gets to ski it? Or is it that they COULD have skied it, and there it counts despite occurring a month before the lifts spun? Either way, it's misleading as hell for their actual customers, and completely goes against everything JD was ranting about. This can only lead one to believe that he's a little of, or he's just trolling. Neither characterization is all that flattering.

But snow that falls before the ski season begins adds to the base..some seasons ski areas open with some natural snow..shouldn't that count even if it fell before opening day. While JD prefers his low speed quads to the mountains high speed quads..He is still among skiers and riders in everyday life who most likely value his opinion when it comes to local ski resorts. To be apples to apples..all ski areas should count their total yearly snowfall and almost all do..

I believe telling customers it snowed 10 inches when it only snowed 5 inches is more misleading than giving actual annual snowfall totals..

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

Personally, when it comes to snowfall reporting, all I want to read about is base depth and how much snow has fallen in the last seven days, 48 hours and 24 hours. Season totals are telling, but ultimately only matter in a magazine article the following summer reflecting back on the season that was.

base depth and recent snow is what matters NOW

But in choosing a ski resort to visit season snowfall totals matter..especially those who have to travel a considerable distance..

 

[hardline]

so why the hell didn't the run the new cat they have?

 

[deadheadskier]

But in choosing a ski resort to visit season snowfall totals matter..especially those who have to travel a considerable distance..

more for out west than in the east because of as you said, the travel factor

for instance, the best skiing in the east tomorrow, might be at Hunter Mountain, which would hardly register a blip on most people's radar if you were looking solely at season averages.

When I dream of a trip out west, I admit I often gravitate in thought to the places with the best season averages. In practical life, what I care about is base depth and recent snowfall...I can usually get a pretty good idea what the conditions will be from that.

I've got five weekends planned skiing in VT this winter. The snow those areas are getting right now only matters indirectly because of base building, but bases can fluctuate greatly throughout the season in the east with thaw events.

Moral of the story, I could give a shit what Sugarbush or Stowe records right now towards their season total. As long as when I'm up there the base depth is four feet in the woods and they've received at least ten inches in the last week while maintaining cold temperatures, the skiing I'm sure will be fantastic.

 

[JD]

I love it. You spew about how SB misleads customers with its snow reporting, and yet you turn around and ask why they wouldn't count pre-season snowfall. Really? so it's perfectly legitimate to count snow that falls, and then completely melts in an October rain and is gone before opening day? I mean, sure this is what Stowe and Jay do, but why should everyone else subscribe to such a misleading practice? Should they also count a freak 3" snowfall in late May after they've closed for the year?

Try to be a tad consistent in your rants.

They get snow after then are open and before they close that potentially will all disappear in, say a january thaw. That's why a snow stake measurement, and a snowfall total are such a good Idea. Better to report snow that you've gotten weather lifts are running or not then to report snow you haven't gotten....
lol, page......8???
This land is your land, this land is my land. hum hum hum hum hum.....hum hum hum hum.....
Low speed quads....LOVE it.
TM, just because you're too lazy to go ski say, 20 inches of nice powder w/o the mountain carting your butt up the hill. doesn't mean that "people can't ski it", it's just means that you're too lazy to. Me being a little of(f) has nothing to do with it, besides, do you really wanna be considered "normal", it sofa king boring.
As for me trolling in this thread....ya think?

 

[riverc0il]

I mean, sure this is what Stowe and Jay do,

Incorrect. Jay's current season total does not include October and the last two season's they refreshed the score card if early season snow melted prior to contributing to base building.

 

[kcyanks1]

I love it. You spew about how SB misleads customers with its snow reporting, and yet you turn around and ask why they wouldn't count pre-season snowfall. Really? so it's perfectly legitimate to count snow that falls, and then completely melts in an October rain and is gone before opening day? I mean, sure this is what Stowe and Jay do, but why should everyone else subscribe to such a misleading practice? Should they also count a freak 3" snowfall in late May after they've closed for the year?

Try to be a tad consistent in your rants.

I don't think Jay does it anymore. I think they used to but stopped. Also, some pre-season snowfall does stay. Some doesn't. I don't know how to solve the problem, but counting pre-season snowfall isn't inherently inaccurate.

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

JD is totally right..guys stop arguing with him..he's legit and you guys are a bunch of lazy lift riding donkeys..hee haw..

 

[Tin Woodsman]

I don't think Jay does it anymore. I think they used to but stopped. Also, some pre-season snowfall does stay. Some doesn't. I don't know how to solve the problem, but counting pre-season snowfall isn't inherently inaccurate.

I think a good compromise is to count anything that's fallen within the last 48 hours prior to closing or soemthing to that effect. You would need a hard and fast rule of some sort.

Won't even bother to respond to the other posts from the Axis of ReRe because it's not worth the time.

Edit: No need to inflame something that's not worth the time.

 

[madskier6]

Won't even bother to respond to the other posts from the Axis of ReRe because, well...

I don't want to end up like em

Nice way to insult mentally handicapped people. That's real mature & enlightened. I was agreeing with your arguments to a degree until you pulled that outta your ass. Nice job.

 

[JD]

I just saw some awesome pics from Sugarbush North....Where should I park if I'm gonna poach there?

 

[hardline]

JD is totally right..guys stop arguing with him..he's legit and you guys are a bunch of lazy lift riding donkeys..hee haw..