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The skiing stereotype of being well off

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IMO, skiing has a wide range of demographics.

Generally speaking, I would guess that skiers / boarders are more affluent. Simply because of cost involved. HOw much does a typical "family" spend on skiing in a year? Even if you only go 10 times, for a family of four from Mass or Connecticut, you are easily talking:

2500 miles on the car at 20 mpg = $450 in gas
Lift passes = let's say $40 a pop and go cheap - $1600
Let's say on average $500 a year in gear, that's probably on the cheap side, but if you average it out and people keep their skis for a while
Not to mention food, etc.

$3k per year is significant money for a lot of people especially if it's a "hobby" and not a lifestyle... you can get way more expensive than that of course if you buy season passes, like getting gear more often or buying better gear, take lessons, buy food or drinks at the mountain, etc etc.

Then again, you have the "ski bum" types that make it work no matter what. They might buy skis and skin up instead so no lift ticket cost. They might already live nearby so gas costs are negligable. Or they might purposely live in a smaller house or drive an older car specifically so they can afford to ski.

I guess it's all about where your priorities are and how to shuffle them to do what you want. One thing is true though - skiing is not a cheap hobby. So you can make it work without being affluent but it requires dedication and probably some level of sacrifice.

On the average, across all skiers, I would probably guess that people who ski are more likely better off than the "average" non-skier.

I woudl say the same thing about people who are into boating, or even golf for that matter.
 

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At just about every ski area I hang at I meet someone who's getting "over" and getting up the lift for free... :)
In Jackson people trade weed for rides un the gondi... It's called the "Green pass"....
 

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You guys are all talking as insiders who know how to hunt deals on tickets and equipment.

Step out of that for a minute and think about what it takes for say a family of 4 who have never skied before to head to the slopes. They tend to pay the walk-up ticket price, rentals, and lessons and they're walking away with sticker shock even at some of the smaller areas.

A thread on SnowJournal was addressed growing skiing as it pertains to attracting new skiers. http://www.snowjournal.com/page.php?cid=topic19659. Also check out http://www.slopefillers.com/ lots of interesting articles there. My favorite is how skiing for a family is a logistical nightmare: http://www.slopefillers.com/growing-skiing-donnie-clapp/
 

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A thread on SnowJournal was addressed growing skiing as it pertains to attracting new skiers. http://www.snowjournal.com/page.php?cid=topic19659. Also check out http://www.slopefillers.com/ lots of interesting articles there. My favorite is how skiing for a family is a logistical nightmare: http://www.slopefillers.com/growing-skiing-donnie-clapp/

I remember every single time we went skiing as a family , when I was a kid, the most frustrating part of the entire day was getting from the car to the lodge and back again. It was such a pain in the ass. Skis falling everywhere. My dad telling me I had to carry my skis. My sister dragging behind because she was only like 5 years old (hahaha).
 

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I remember every single time we went skiing as a family , when I was a kid, the most frustrating part of the entire day was getting from the car to the lodge and back again. It was such a pain in the ass. Skis falling everywhere. My dad telling me I had to carry my skis. My sister dragging behind because she was only like 5 years old (hahaha).

Probably why there's a market for paid premium parking and valet at many ski areas. :lol:
 

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My first day of skiing was my last for a while... :( 1976? ish.... Boston Mills Ohio...

I ripped up my only pair of gloves on a rope tow... My parents were not happy...

My Dad worked to give us horses... That was our thing growing up..
 

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Actually one of the great things about skiing culture is it encompasses a lot of different people..
I could be having a conversation at the Hunter lodge with a guy who collects cans and works in the bus lot and a guy who runs a multi national construction company at the same time... I love it...
 

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A lot of it depends on where you live. Growing up in NH, skiing was widely accessible to the middle class because you could go to small places nearby that were cheap, or take advantage of ski clubs in school (how I got into it).

After I moved to NJ, I found it's regarded as a more exclusive sport, because if you want to ski down here, there are a lot of expenses that you don't occur living up north. You have to drive farther, which costs more, and are more likely to have to get a hotel and pay for meals on the road.
 

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I remember every single time we went skiing as a family , when I was a kid, the most frustrating part of the entire day was getting from the car to the lodge and back again. It was such a pain in the ass. Skis falling everywhere. My dad telling me I had to carry my skis. My sister dragging behind because she was only like 5 years old (hahaha).

That's my biggest struggle is getting all the crap together for the kids and then getting them motivated to get there. Once we all have gear on and are ready to go I'm wiped out! lol Most of the time they enjoy it once we are there, but there are days when one won't stop whining about one thing or another and you just want to say "f-this I'm not going to drag their ungrateful butts up here anymore ...".
 

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That's my biggest struggle is getting all the crap together for the kids and then getting them motivated to get there. Once we all have gear on and are ready to go I'm wiped out! lol Most of the time they enjoy it once we are there, but there are days when one won't stop whining about one thing or another and you just want to say "f-this I'm not going to drag their ungrateful butts up here anymore ...".

Espeically on a weeknight at Wachusett you probably spend the same time commuting, getting unpacked, getting ready, getting re-packed, and driving home as you do actually skiing
 

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I don't consider myself "well off", but I guess when you consider that I have enough disposable income to ski at all then I'm more well off then others in this country. It's all a matter of perspective. I do sacrifice quite a bit to be able to bring my kids skiing, it's totally worth it though! Ask me again when I'm still working at 90, and probably driving the same beat up car I am now, and I might change my tune. :lol:

That's my biggest struggle is getting all the crap together for the kids and then getting them motivated to get there. Once we all have gear on and are ready to go I'm wiped out! lol Most of the time they enjoy it once we are there, but there are days when one won't stop whining about one thing or another and you just want to say "f-this I'm not going to drag their ungrateful butts up here anymore ...".

Yeah, our biggest hassle is usually before we even leave the house. There's always something that can't be found; a sock, glove, goggles, boot, etc..
 

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That's my biggest struggle is getting all the crap together for the kids and then getting them motivated to get there. Once we all have gear on and are ready to go I'm wiped out! lol Most of the time they enjoy it once we are there, but there are days when one won't stop whining about one thing or another and you just want to say "f-this I'm not going to drag their ungrateful butts up here anymore ...".

Now that my kids are getting a little older (15, 12, 10) it is getting better. I still need to check to make sure they have all their shit before we leave the house. At the local hill they put all their stuff on before we leave including ski boots. We still have to wait for my middle one when we get to the hill to get his butt to the lift.
 

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Another good thing about staying at one area is you can get a locker..
And keep a ton of your kids stuff in it...
 

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On the OP statements I do sacrifice things to go skiing but it is stuff that if I didn't have some money I wouldn't have either. Stuff like home improvements suffer and aggravate the hell out of my wife. I just say for example "hey its working we don't need a new fridge or dryer or a larger deck or a better lawn or a new grill or new flooring or ..." You know I need to go to Colorado this ski season :spread:
 

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A lot of it depends on where you live. Growing up in NH, skiing was widely accessible to the middle class because you could go to small places nearby that were cheap, or take advantage of ski clubs in school (how I got into it).

After I moved to NJ, I found it's regarded as a more exclusive sport, because if you want to ski down here, there are a lot of expenses that you don't occur living up north. You have to drive farther, which costs more, and are more likely to have to get a hotel and pay for meals on the road.

I disagree. I grew up in north NJ skiing at Snowbowl, Craigmeur, Mt Peter, Tuxedo Ridge, Campgaw, and eventually Vernon Valley/Great Gorge. There were affordable after school ski programs in many Jr/Sr high schools in the area including my town. My kids both learned to ski at Campgaw and Tuxedo Ridge. While it is true that the better skiing requires at least a 1.5-2 hour drive to the Catskills, kids season passes and tickets for the local areas are not expensive.

I have a neighbor who loves to give me a hard time about how only rich people can ski. He has a 12 year old boy who is on a travel baseball team. The tryouts for these teams cost $20-50, he spends $2000 to be on the team plus another $100 for the uniform, $300 for the bat, 2 pairs of spikes @ $100/pair, multiple gloves at $150/glove (inf/outfield/1B), and then there is all the driving including at least 2 weekends a month overnight to another state for a tournament.
My family does not spend in a whole ski season what he spends on his boy during April-July. My daughter's seasonal rental of $90 is less than 1 pair of his kids baseball spikes. That rental also comes with a coupon book of discounted tickets that pays for the rental.


It is all a matter of perception.
 

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I disagree. I grew up in north NJ skiing at Snowbowl, Craigmeur, Mt Peter, Tuxedo Ridge, Campgaw, and eventually Vernon Valley/Great Gorge. There were affordable after school ski programs in many Jr/Sr high schools in the area including my town. My kids both learned to ski at Campgaw and Tuxedo Ridge. While it is true that the better skiing requires at least a 1.5-2 hour drive to the Catskills, kids season passes and tickets for the local areas are not expensive.

I have a neighbor who loves to give me a hard time about how only rich people can ski. He has a 12 year old boy who is on a travel baseball team. The tryouts for these teams cost $20-50, he spends $2000 to be on the team plus another $100 for the uniform, $300 for the bat, 2 pairs of spikes @ $100/pair, multiple gloves at $150/glove (inf/outfield/1B), and then there is all the driving including at least 2 weekends a month overnight to another state for a tournament.
My family does not spend in a whole ski season what he spends on his boy during April-July. My daughter's seasonal rental of $90 is less than 1 pair of his kids baseball spikes. That rental also comes with a coupon book of discounted tickets that pays for the rental.


It is all a matter of perception.

Oh yeah my oldest plays on a travel baseball team as well...
 

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I can't really afford to ski. But I manage to go most weekends in the winter. This eliminates any hope I might have of saving money or doing anything much else.

This year my game plan is to ski cheaper places like Magic more often... probably also be going with my GF who is a beginner skier right now so we can go to small local places and save $. Also be more proactive about taking days off midweek to save money and take advantage of the best snow days at some less crowded areas.

As long as I can just barely swing it I'll be happy in the winters.
 

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Season pass & other discounts are usually paid in advance so I'm not including it in the cost. Yeah I'll have to cough up a few extra sheckles to ski Stowe during SCA days. Otherwise skiing is paid for. To spend 4-5 days skiing northern central VT. with $300 in my pocket & still have change coming home after food, beer, lodging & gas is paid for is not a rich mans sport.
 

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Season pass & other discounts are usually paid in advance so I'm not including it in the cost. Yeah I'll have to cough up a few extra sheckles to ski Stowe during SCA days. Otherwise skiing is paid for. To spend 4-5 days skiing northern central VT. with $300 in my pocket & still have change coming home after food, beer, lodging & gas is paid for is not a rich mans sport.

LOL yeah when you exclude about 1/2 of the costs its not a rich man's sport... See I have to work 4-5 days a week to make that 300$ to be able to ski the other 2-3. Living the dream ;-)
 

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Season pass & other discounts are usually paid in advance so I'm not including it in the cost. Yeah I'll have to cough up a few extra sheckles to ski Stowe during SCA days. Otherwise skiing is paid for. To spend 4-5 days skiing northern central VT. with $300 in my pocket & still have change coming home after food, beer, lodging & gas is paid for is not a rich mans sport.

I'm not getting your logic about not including the season pass costs. Mine are coming to around $850 this season.
 
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